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To: nopardons
As Michael Medved would say, let's focus like a laser beam on the question I asked. I'll try again...

"It is better to have a parent raise a child, as opposed to any stranger, when it is at all possible, at any cost short of a self-destructive one."

C'mon, you can do it. Do you agree with this statement or not?

The rise of feminism occurred during the 60's and 70's, and with it the daycare phenomenon started and accelerated in the 80's. Is it a coincidence that the current moral decline corresponds exactly with the rise of daycare and the surge of abandonment of children by their mothers (and/or fathers)?

Were there more stay at home moms during the 70's? Sure, also the moral state of our country wasn't as bad then as it is now. Clearly, the moral decline of our country runs parallel to the rise in the use of daycare. I'm not saying that daycare is chiefly to blame but rather, it's simply one of many institutions created, funded, and lauded by the Left that collectively has lead to a worsening of our culture and country.

Are there people who genuinely need and use daycare? Sure. My point is that these people are the exceptions to the rule and therefore, they are irrelevant in the debate over the merits of daycare as a whole and it's affect on our society. But the idea that it is a good thing to have strangers raise your children when it is entirely possible to raise them yourself is indeed a monstrous one. And those that practice this are monsters. They may not realize it. They may have subscribed to the ideas of 60's and 70's feminism that the raising of children by women is a bad thing. But nonetheless, they are monsters, or at least are behaving in a monstrous way toward their children.

I'm sorry (not really) if it makes you uncomfortable to hear someone making such a stark judgment call. This phenomenon of what is essentially speech codes is also a result of feminism, especially the feminization of men by the Left. Used to be, people were not afraid to call things like they see them. But now, as is evidenced by your reaction to my judgment call, if a man makes a judgment of something traditionally in the realm of women, it is wholly acceptable and even encouraged to attack them and tear them to shreds. In my opinion, we need more judgment, not less. Were my comments meant to be provocative? Absolutely. If I'm not enraging the Left, I'm doing something wrong. Because as you can see, even in the FR boards, the foundation of Marxist thought has sway. Did you know that Lenin supported the separation of parents from their children in a compulsory form of daycare/government schooling? What better way to destroy the foundations and principles of a society in order to make socialism more palatable than to separate a child from the influences of family and tradition?
465 posted on 07/05/2006 1:49:29 PM PDT by beeler ("When you’re running down my country, Hoss you’re walking on the fighting side of me.")
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To: beeler
Okay, let's, by all means, focus like a laser beam on the statement that YOU made, which painted, with far too of a broad brush, every single person who put a child into daycare. You called them all, ALL OF THEM, "monsters". There were no shades of grey, no ifs, ands, or buts...ALL OF THEM ARE MONSTERS; so said YOU!

You can't weasel out of this, no matter how much you might try to....now. LOL

Unlike war babies, many of whose mothers did work during WW II, the Baby Boomers' mothers did NOT work. By the '70s, these "children" were well into their 20s and had NEVER had a mother who worked, nor were they ever in daycare. No matter how you want to slice it, this is a fact. It's also , thanks to Dr. Spock ( who did NOT raise his children the way he told everyone else to raise theirs. ) the time when things began to break down and fall apart.

Language? Language took a descisive downturn in the mid 1960s, thanks to a RED DIAPER BABY, who led the "FREE SPEACH MOVEMENT" in Berkley. He wasn't a "feminazi" he was a stinking Commie.

Current moral decay? CURRENT? Moral decay began to be a gigantic disease in the 1960s! What had, for centuries, been held at the fringe of fringe society, blossomed, as a virus, in the late 1960s. It had almost nothing at all to do with feminazis, but a whole LOT to do with the pied pipers of hippy/Yippie "culture"; aided and abetted by the MSM.

You have NO idea what life was like in the '60s or '70s. And no, reading books about that time, though somewhat helpful, will NEVER give you a true feeling for it. And while I doubt that you've even read anything factual about that time, I suggest that you do so.

You also read factual history about other time periods as well. From what you've posted, it is patently obvious, that you lack any actual knowledge about how children have been raised and by whom, throughout recorded history.

I am NOT advocating that everyone place their children in the care of others; however, yes, I have called you out, re your childish name calling, ignorance, and arrogance.

Few, FEW people need daycare? Really? On this thread, alone, quite a few women have told you their stories. Get off the computer and actually take a look at reality! Unfortunately, many women need to work. They aren't doing it in order to buy the latest Channel bag, that trip to the major cities of Europe, that ski vacation, nor to buy tins of Beluga caviar. They are doing it so that their children can EAT!

Never attempt to "teach" me history and NEVER assume that you know something that I don't. LOL

Fess up......you not only went to public school, but were put into daycare!

466 posted on 07/05/2006 2:25:13 PM PDT by nopardons
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