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Baby found dead in vehicle. Mother apparently forgot to drop off baby at day care.
grandfolksherald.com ^ | Thu, Jun. 29, 2006 | Lisa Gibson

Posted on 06/29/2006 1:07:30 PM PDT by rawhide

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To: robertpaulsen

That is true. That occurred to me too, but a solution to the problem must be less specific than just addressing situations where the children are expected somewhere else.


81 posted on 06/29/2006 1:38:37 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: TalonDJ

I'd love to. But mr. elc is in process of getting a green card sponsored by his company. Can't go anywhere until that happens. And really he feels he must give them a couple more years after that since they've paid for the whole thing.

Ideally we'll be out of here is 3 or so years when we're ready for baby number 2 and I can stay home with both of them.


82 posted on 06/29/2006 1:38:51 PM PDT by elc
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To: ShandaLear
Serious question: how many people here could have ever forgotten you had a child in the car with you? No matter how old or where they were sitting?

Serious answer: No one would ever think "Oh, yeah, I could forget I had my child in the car."

NO ONE ever thinks it would happen to them...that's why it's called 'accident' - even as tragic as this.

How many of us have NEVER done anything that resulted in a bad outcome?

There seems to be more rush-to-judgment responses here than retrospection or understanding that tragic mistakes do happen. It would be a wonderful world with only infallible people in it...but we haven't reached that level yet.

BTW, child seat sensors are coming. My Daughter and hubby just bought a van that sets off a sensor if you put a child in the FRONT seat and wont allow the car to start.

I'm hoping they'll work on sensors that will go off if the car is shut off and there's a child still in a car seat.

83 posted on 06/29/2006 1:39:29 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (LINCOLN: "...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time>")
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To: robertpaulsen

I was thinking that would be a great way to stop this, but the daycare we send our kids to does not call, not sure if it has even occurred to them.


84 posted on 06/29/2006 1:39:34 PM PDT by thinkthenpost
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To: robertpaulsen

I was thinking that would be a great way to stop this, but the daycare we send our kids to does not call, not sure if it has even occurred to them.


85 posted on 06/29/2006 1:39:46 PM PDT by thinkthenpost
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To: justche

Excellent point. How does a mother of a 5 month old not call the day care at least some point during the day to check on her child? It is beyond me. Don't parents worry if their child is crying, has she/he been changed, fed on time, etc....I would worry myself sick all day which is why I could never leave my child in daycare of any kind.


86 posted on 06/29/2006 1:40:08 PM PDT by yellowdoghunter (Vote out the RINO's; volunteer to help get Conservative Republicans elected!)
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To: Torpedogirl

I suspect it was "pre-medicated". She probably got up, had a cup of coffee and toked a doobie... got ready for work, put the kid in the car, drove to work..


87 posted on 06/29/2006 1:40:08 PM PDT by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
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To: beeler
What kind of monster would enroll a 5-month old in day care?

I wouldn't use the term "monster", but most people who put their kids in day care just don't feel that raising their own children is an important priority. Sure, there is the occasional widow, or woman who was left holding the bag by an irresponsible husband, but almost without exception the parents who outsource their parental responsibilities to strangers are those whose priorities are themselves, their material possessions, and their social life. Their children are merely accessories to their lifestyles.

For those who would "understand" how a "mother" could forget a child in her vehicle, Mrs. Chandler posits the question: would she have forgotten a briefcase full of cash in the back seat?

88 posted on 06/29/2006 1:40:15 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Refute the Drive-By Media. Sí, Se Puede!)
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To: thinkthenpost
Computer or internet hiccup, sorry for the double post.
89 posted on 06/29/2006 1:40:35 PM PDT by thinkthenpost
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To: GLDNGUN
1. Nanny State requires airbags. I believe it is a federal crime to disable them.

2. Kids get killed by airbags.

3. Instead of allowing people to make their own decisions, Nanny State demands kids be in back seat.

4. A handful of people forget their kids because they're out of sight. Nanny State prosecutes them for manslaughter. Nanny State prosecutor gets reelected for protecting "the Children".
90 posted on 06/29/2006 1:40:41 PM PDT by AlexandriaDuke (Conservatives want freedom. Republicans want power.)
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To: rawhide

This thread is a marvel of infallible spectators.


91 posted on 06/29/2006 1:41:07 PM PDT by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: coconutt2000
That is a wonderful idea. It's time to go proactive; we can bash parents (some of them deserve it, and some just plain forget because they have a lot of heavy things on their minds and frivolous things), but that isn't going to save any children, and but by the grace of God, I could have forgotten, or my ex husband, or somebody I trusted with my children. As I said before, I seemed to have kind of a 6th sense about it and we had a dog first when I became aware you had to be careful leaving them in cars, even with the windows cracked open.

There may be patents out there already. As I said in the other thread, a car engineer devised one, but it added too much to the cost of the car and the company decided not to go with it.

This is just the beginning of the hot months. I fear there will be too many more cases like this one.

92 posted on 06/29/2006 1:42:32 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: coconutt2000
...There should be a potential patent thread for FR. Ideas pitched by FReepers...

Until then, check out this site: www.halfbakery.com

"The Halfbakery is a communal database of original, fictitious inventions, edited by its users. It was created by people who like to speculate, both as a form of satire and as a form of creative expression."

93 posted on 06/29/2006 1:42:45 PM PDT by FReepaholic (Why aren't lawyers ever accused of price gouging?)
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To: yellowdoghunter
However, if many families would give up the bigger house, the new car every 5 years or so, etc...one could afford to stay home.

Bingo.

94 posted on 06/29/2006 1:42:59 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Refute the Drive-By Media. Sí, Se Puede!)
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To: rawhide

The same BS happened in North Texas a few years ago. She was charged, went to court and the jury slapped her wrist.


95 posted on 06/29/2006 1:43:46 PM PDT by 12th_Monkey
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To: Jaysin

OMG. I fell out of a car also, when I was 2. This was in 1977, before car seat requirements.

Except, in my case the car was moving. Well, it came to a stop and I thought it was time to get out. So I opened the door just at the time we started moving again. The driver looked in the rearview mirror and saw me laying in the middle of the parking lot.

Oops.


96 posted on 06/29/2006 1:43:46 PM PDT by elc
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To: atomicpossum

It is not about being infallible. It is about making your children your top priority, nothing more, nothing less.


97 posted on 06/29/2006 1:43:50 PM PDT by yellowdoghunter (Vote out the RINO's; volunteer to help get Conservative Republicans elected!)
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To: Jaysin

I think this story is so sad. I cannot begin to think that this woman did this intentionally. think of the millions of children who get taken to day care every day. It is with the odds that a tragedy will happen occasionally. It is a numbers things. I shudder when I think of the things that could have happened to my own children-I cannot judge. I pray for this poor woman.


98 posted on 06/29/2006 1:44:21 PM PDT by ktvaughn (I avoid cliches like the plague...)
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To: Texagirl4W
Mothers should buckle their purse to the child's safety seat. No woman gets out the car without their purse. I know a girl who works with me that leaves her work badge attached to the baby seat. She cannot come in the building without it. So many things they can do.

Exactly! Very simple. People blame this on the "nanny state" in one breath, then the next they are demanding that this problem be fixed with beepers, cell phones, and text messages. Of course, they'd probably want those features mandated by the same "nanny state" they claim to hate. How about some personal responsibility! It's not the job of the "nanny state" to remind you that you have a baby in the backseat, and it's not the job of car manufacturers and cell phone companies! Doing something as simple as attaching your purse to the child's seat (or whatever works for YOU) is far better than anything big gubmint or business can come up with.

99 posted on 06/29/2006 1:45:36 PM PDT by GLDNGUN
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To: 2Hot4You

I agree with you completely: let people make their own decisions about risk. People are fallible and when they are on autopilot and forget a step in their routine, they may not realize until it's too late. I have to imagine that this mother is suicidal.


100 posted on 06/29/2006 1:46:07 PM PDT by utahagen
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