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Utah race stirs calls for a deal on immigration
Houston Chronicle ^ | June 29, 2006 | Gebe Martinez

Posted on 06/29/2006 10:19:29 AM PDT by Dane

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To: american spirit
Ask the 15 or so families who had loved ones tortured and murdered by Angel Resendiz how they feel about it

BTW, why are you silent about the opinions of the families of the victims of ted bundy and jeffrey dahmer.

Oops, I forgot their surnames are not Spanish, nevermind.

21 posted on 06/29/2006 10:47:56 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane

So that's your trigger is it Dane? This is a big race thing for you.

Makes one wonder if you or your husband aren't hispanic and have some sort of vested personal interest in the immigration debate.

You see for the vast majority of us this is about following the rule of law, forcing others to respect our borders, protecting wages and our economy, and not allowing illegals who are willing to live stacked on top of one another in crowded homes or apartments to degrade our standard of living to third world levels.

But for you this is all about race.

I think you have a personal interest in this debate Dane and interest that doesn't neccessarily coincide with what's best for this country but what's best for you.

Your anger and frustration with respect to this topic makes all the more sense now.

You don't care about what's best for the nation, this is about what's best for you.


22 posted on 06/29/2006 11:03:22 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: Bikers4Bush
So that's your trigger is it Dane? This is a big race thing for you.

Huh, it sures seems it is for you.

23 posted on 06/29/2006 11:06:33 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane
On the contrary Dane, you are the one who always rushes to make it a race issue.

It's never been a race issue for me or for the vast majority of the rest that oppose illegal immigration. I want illegals gone regardless of where they're from but for you it's all about the Spanish surnames.

This has been very enlightening. Thanks.
24 posted on 06/29/2006 11:09:13 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


25 posted on 06/29/2006 11:12:12 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: Bikers4Bush; american spirit
On the contrary Dane, you are the one who always rushes to make it a race issue

Please look at reply #18, by American Spirit.

Ask the 15 or so families who had loved ones tortured and murdered by Angel Resendiz how they feel about it

All I did was ask was where was American Spirit's concern for the families of victims of ted bundy and jeffrey dahmer.

IMO, it seems American Spirit did not have concern for them and decided to make an evil killer's ethnic surname the basis of evil, instead of the evil itself.

Typical tancredo/bay buchanan tactic, IMO.

26 posted on 06/29/2006 11:14:30 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Paleo Conservative
It is my understanding that Cannon had a war chest 1.5 to 2 times what Jacob had. Since Cannon had considerably more money and was a five term incumbent, it is surprising that the race was as close as it was.
27 posted on 06/29/2006 11:19:50 AM PDT by MBB1984
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To: Dane

We know how you feel about Tancredo, despite his excellent voting record, in my opinion, as rated by ACU and other organizations. Are there any Democrats in Congress whose voting records you consider worse than Tom's? If so, name a few. If there are none, no reply needed.


28 posted on 06/29/2006 11:20:51 AM PDT by Re-electNobody
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To: Dane
This was your motivation to wanting Cannon to win all along wasn't it Dane, not his 97% ACU rating? No need to answer, we already knew.

Here's a news flash: Bilbray won opposing the Senate scheme so that makes it even doesn't it? That is unless you don't count the recent pro-border wins in Nebraska and Virginia, then we're ahead.

29 posted on 06/29/2006 11:20:57 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Bikers4Bush; american spirit; Paleo Conservative

Please don't use rational arguments with Dane. It just confuses him/her.


30 posted on 06/29/2006 11:21:25 AM PDT by batter ("Never let the enemy pick the battle site." - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: Dane

This is not the first time you have played the race card Dane, nor do I think it will be the last.

This is, however, the first time that the dots finally connected for me.

Your vitriolic responses and your vehement opposition to any plan that doesn't allow illegals to stay in some way shape or form finally makes sense.

This is personal for you. Not morally personal or financially personal as it is for some. No, you will be emotionally harmed if they are not allowed to stay.

Someone close to you is at risk of being sent back and based on your specific fixation on Spanish surnames (it's always about Mexico or South America for you, never about asians or indians) I would have to assume they are hispanic.


31 posted on 06/29/2006 11:25:24 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: Bikers4Bush

Our country is being overrun by a culture of losers, and it doesn't take much imagination to guess who the cheerleaders are.


32 posted on 06/29/2006 11:28:06 AM PDT by WayneM ( Sneaking in is NOT immigration.......(¯`'•..•'´¯).......Cut the KRAP (Karl Rove Amnesty Plan).)
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To: Re-electNobody
We know how you feel about Tancredo, despite his excellent voting record, in my opinion, as rated by ACU and other organizations. Are there any Democrats in Congress whose voting records you consider worse than Tom's? If so, name a few. If there are none, no reply needed

Actually there is a reply needed, IMO.

Why didn't the tancredo/bay buchanan PAC go after 2nd UT district democrat Congressman, Jim Matheson, who would vote for nancy pelosi for Speaker.

Face it, tancredo is a backstabber and his backstabbing power grabbing tactics have been exposed for all to see and a big plus, he lost bigtime.

33 posted on 06/29/2006 11:29:23 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: WayneM
Our country is being overrun by a culture of losers, and it doesn't take much imagination to guess who the cheerleaders are.

Yep such as cheerleaders for tancredo/bay buchanan as yourself.

34 posted on 06/29/2006 11:31:06 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane

You can't think of any Dems you consider to have worse voting records than Tom Tancredo? If so name a few.


35 posted on 06/29/2006 11:34:42 AM PDT by Re-electNobody
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To: Dane
Yep such as cheerleaders for tancredo/bay buchanan as yourself.

Dane the race is over and Cannon won. You have now moved back to the agenda that motivated you to support him in the first place and it had nothing to do with Tancredo or Bay Buchanan but what is in this story, the call to "compromise" with the Senate. You knew that would be the result but it's failed. The most telling quote from it is this:

And House leaders said Cannon's win adds no momentum in the House to Bush's immigration policy. "The vast majority of our conference believes that strengthening our border, securing it and enforcing our laws are critical steps in the process of cleaning up the problem that we have," Boehner said.

Hearing that must make you very sad.

36 posted on 06/29/2006 11:36:48 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Paleo Conservative

Cannon:
All contributions: $815,687
Individual contributors: $219,109
Political action committees: $458,614
Loans to himself: $137,962

Jacob:
All contributions: $383,860
Individual contributors: $27,860
Political action committees: $3,000
Loans to himself: $353,000


37 posted on 06/29/2006 11:37:13 AM PDT by CONSERVE
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To: Dane

Boy, all these FRingers that were just proven wrong for the 20th consecutive election are pissed.


38 posted on 06/29/2006 11:39:13 AM PDT by PRND21
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Dane the race is over and Cannon won. You have now moved back to the agenda that motivated you to support him in the first place and it had nothing to do with Tancredo or Bay Buchanan but what is in this story, the call to "compromise" with the Senate. You knew that would be the result but it's failed. The most telling quote from it is this

JMO, that quote from Boehner was a bone to you guys. Heck even the Fox News panel on Brit's show said that tancredo is now basically isolated,to bad he could have been somebody if he hadn't listened to joe farah and World Nut Daily and bay buchanan.

This primary sent shock waves through the Republican House caucus, and IMO Mike Pence's plan is going to have a serious hearing, which will bust a vein in tom tancredo's head, since his "issue"(and meal ticket) is gone.

39 posted on 06/29/2006 11:43:13 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: CONSERVE
Hey! no fair! you posted actual numbers instead of vage assertions.

Link your sources and they'll really hate you.

40 posted on 06/29/2006 11:43:19 AM PDT by MrEdd (Bad spellers of the world - UNTIE!,)
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