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You Call This A War?
dansargis.org ^ | June 28, 2006 | Dan Sargis

Posted on 06/28/2006 6:09:35 PM PDT by Dr.Syn

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In Iraq today, the American GI has to keep one eye on the insurgents and the other eye on his own country.

And isn't that a shame.

1 posted on 06/28/2006 6:09:37 PM PDT by Dr.Syn
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Shock and Awe was never implemented and, instead of minutes...or hours...or days...or weeks...the campaign in Iraq is taking years and may well stretch into decades.

My only real objection to the article is this one - in fact, the actual military campaign was breathtakingly rapid as it was intended to be. What is stretching out isn't the breaking of the will of the Iraqi army to fight or the overthrow of a vicious police state dictator, nor is it a "protracted police campaign." Nor, actually, is it a classic "nation-building" campaign as it has been accused of being.

It is, in fact, an attempt to weave a set of disparate and conflicting elements into a federation in the face of armed opposition by people whose interests are being challenged thereby. That may prove to be asking too much in the long run, but at the moment it looks as if it just might be working.

I'm perfectly willing to discuss a more robust alternative policy. Should we have leveled Fallujah, for example, or Ramadi? In a classic burnt-earth campaign that probably would have been the alternative of choice. If we did not do so it was either out of irresolution as the author implies or it was because leadership did not consider it to be more helpful than harmful to the overall goal. I'm guessing the latter (with the proviso that it might very well be an uninformed and inaccurate guess. Comes with the territory.)

2 posted on 06/28/2006 6:21:08 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Dr.Syn
Ask Sean Connery.

Oy...

3 posted on 06/28/2006 6:21:54 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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I agree. When will be get Al-Zarqawi? I'm sick and tired about us getting his aides. How many aides does he need?


4 posted on 06/28/2006 6:26:42 PM PDT by LdSentinal
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To: Billthedrill
Interesting points. Do you think that firebombing Tokyo, etc. made it easier to build a democratic Japan? Peace seems easier after people have been decimated by war.
5 posted on 06/28/2006 6:27:58 PM PDT by Dr.Syn
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To: LdSentinal

You wrote, "When will be get Al-Zarqawi?"

Be got Zarqawi.


6 posted on 06/28/2006 6:29:54 PM PDT by Rembrandt_fan
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America is wasting billions of dollars and thousands of lives in a pacification project...not a war.

A pacification project - best description of it that I've seen yet.

7 posted on 06/28/2006 6:30:35 PM PDT by gotribe (It's not a religion.)
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To: Rembrandt_fan

Maybe he meant al-Zawahiri. These names are like the specials on a Chinese restaurant menu. They all sound the same.


8 posted on 06/28/2006 6:33:29 PM PDT by Dr.Syn
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You're probably right. Maybe they can sell the surplus vowels to the Croats and Serbs.


9 posted on 06/28/2006 6:35:18 PM PDT by Rembrandt_fan
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I agree. When will be get Al-Zarqawi?

No offense, but are you kidding me? I had to re-check the date of this thread with that statement.

10 posted on 06/28/2006 6:36:05 PM PDT by Right Brother
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Shock and Awe worked exactly like it was supposed to: the Iraqi army was smoked like a Phillies Blunt.

What we're fighting now is NOT the Iraqi army. Command and control works differently for Al Quaeda, on entirely different channels than those that were anywhere near our crosshairs during the invasion. We fought two successive wars, against two different enemies (one of which is now our ally), from 2003 until now.

People just get it mixed up because we happen to be fighting those two wars on the same battleground, and the end of one and beginning of the other is kind of amorphous.

11 posted on 06/28/2006 6:36:17 PM PDT by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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The last time I witnessed America embroiled in a no-win “police action” misnomered as a war, was Vietnam.

I stopped reading right there.

12 posted on 06/28/2006 6:36:33 PM PDT by Clemenza (The CFR ate my bilderburgers! Time to call for a trilateral commission to investigate!)
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To: Darkwolf377

Second Bush is wrong on the war thread in an hour.


13 posted on 06/28/2006 6:37:09 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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Yeah, curious ain't it?

And of course, those posting them aren't against the war, they're just posting alternative viewpoints they have no interest in, though they won't say what their position is, exactly...

14 posted on 06/28/2006 6:38:32 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: Rembrandt_fan

I think that's kinda his point.


15 posted on 06/28/2006 6:39:19 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: Texasforever

Hay we gotta see what the enemy is up to.


16 posted on 06/28/2006 6:39:34 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: Darkwolf377

As I said this is the next attack since immigration is losing steam.


17 posted on 06/28/2006 6:39:34 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Billthedrill

I think you are correct. From the information I've gleaned from folks who were there, on the ground, that leveling either of these cities would have caused resentment among the Iraqi populace and created refugees. These refugees would have become recruitment fodder for the terrorists and a talking point (much like Palestinians) for insurgents.


18 posted on 06/28/2006 6:39:58 PM PDT by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.......for without victory there is no survival."--Churchill--that's "Winston")
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To: Dr.Syn

Al Katraz? Al Kaseltzer?


19 posted on 06/28/2006 6:40:07 PM PDT by Right Brother
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You shouldn't have because the article wants the war fought as a war for the sake of the troops. It is a pretty kick-A approach.


20 posted on 06/28/2006 6:40:40 PM PDT by Dr.Syn
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