Speaking of obligations - I need to apologize to you for continuing this argument in public. If you're Christian, you'll understand why...and even if you're not, suffice it to say, this is no way for me to build bridges. Please accept my apology, especially for my snarky attitude.
Thank you but no apology is necessary - this is just an irrelevant debating forum to blow off a few minutes trying out thoughts on things of interest to whoever's here. If I couldn't stand a little give and take then I wouldn't post here. (I've seen worse exchanges in certain church committee meetings - finance is the worst.) If I've said anything that's really truly offensive to you then likewise please accept my apologies.