Bodman concerned about high ethanol prices

Washington Post ^ | June 23, 2006 | Tom Dogget - Reuters

[greasepaint]

Is this worth losing Congress? I live in an ethanol area, so I am paying for this decision.

.......... WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Energy Secretary Sam Bodman said on Friday he was concerned about this week's jump in ethanol prices which might be passed on to consumers at the pump, but he said lifting the U.S. duty on Brazilian ethanol imports won't increase supplies that much to help.

...snip... The full article.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/23/AR2006062300773.html

How not to make friends. This is an outrageous ripoff of the middle class. Bush could fix this, with the stroke of a pen. Speaker Pelosi sounds better all the time.

[MNJohnnie]

You ignorance is appalling. It would make NO difference, none, not ZIP, NADA to the price you pay at the pump. Ethanol costs more to produce then gas. It is a energy loser meaning it takes MORE energy to produce then it does to simply burn the gas!

The only reason we use ethanol here is it is another Federal subsidy to Farmers and a way to stretch DOMESTIC production. It does NOTHING to cut the price. IN FACT most of the current price hike is a result of additional Federal mandates and the need to switch over to HIGHER ethanol blends.

Actually try to LEARN something instead of merely screaming the latest DNC Talking point emailed you.

[Pox]

Speaker Pelosi sounds better all the time.

Only to the terminally psychotic who believe communism/socialism are destined to become the law of the land in the U.S.

[pabianice]

Biodiesel

[MNJohnnie]

Excuse the rest of us if we are not intrested in paying more so you can suck additional money out of the Federal Treasury in forced subsides. Go get a real job and quit trying to rip us off with this Ethanol fraud.

[308MBR]

Ethanol is entirely too expensive to produce, especially from corn (a starch). It's easier to do from sugar cane/beets, but you still burn more energy cooking off the mash than you get from burning the product.

I just love it when these people with degrees in journalism, sociology, anthropology and psychology try to tell engineers how to make things work when 99.99% of them couldn't change a flat tire.

Any substitute fuel for gasoline in a mobile internal combustion engine only serves to drive home the point of how wonderful gasoline and diesel are for fuels.

[greasepaint]

Republicans,
changed the laws, so I am forced to buy this stuff.

The Energy policy act of 2005, forces me to buy this stuff.

I don't want this.

Is making 30 cents a gollon more,
worth losing Congress.

[greasepaint]

because of Republican stupifdity,
ten percent of the gas I buy must be ethanol.

The price conviently moved from $1.50 last year,
to five bucks now.

[UNGN]

Ethanol prices will tank this fall.

We are only buying that crap in Texas to avoid ozone days. My mileage has dropped 3 mpg the last 3 fillups as a result.

When the scary ozone danger has passed, the farmers up north can go back to swimming in their ethanol until next summer.

ETHANOL SUCKS!

[Sooth2222]

Speaker Pelosi sounds better all the time.

I don't know what's worse, Democrats who actually believe this stuff, or Republicans who pretend to actually believe this stuff.

[greasepaint]

I also get screwed extra, here

http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pet_pri_spt_s1_d.htm

I direct your attention to the difference between
RBOB and conventional gasoline.

Lets do the numbers, prices, essentivlly wholesale.

conventional ........202.06 /gallon
RBOB, 212.43, note, RBOB is ninety percent of gas mix

what I am forced to buy...
RBOB 212.43, times ninety percent, --> 191.19
ethanol, five bucks times ten percent,--> 50.00
total, 241.19

ethanol is crap, and Republicans are forcing me to buy it.

[Phocion]

You got that right. Unfortunately it's not just the DNC pushing those subsidies. Seems like every politician in an area that produces corn buys into it, regardless of party. Along with most of the populace of those areas.

People love handouts, especially when they are tricked into thinking their handouts are actually helping the country.

[Charles H. (The_r0nin)]

By not allowing imports, he's just sucking up to the most powerful force in the nation... Archer Daniels Midland. That's the only reason we use ethanol for fuel additives (or corn syrup for sweeteners for that matter)...

[MNJohnnie]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fuel As of 2005, production of all four alcohols from petroleum is cheaper than fermentation and extraction from biomass, but this is expected to change as fermentation and extraction processes become more efficient while petroleum becomes more expensive.

from Petroleum is cheaper then fementation and extraction from biomass. Get it? There is NO silver bullet to slay the nasty oil dragon you hate and fear. NONE. The cheapest most effiecent fuels are all oil based. Deal with reality

[greasepaint]

the subsidies got swamped out, by the
'forced buying situation',
caused by law changes initiated by Republicans.

what about numbers, don't people get.\?

the old way, ethanol
was 1 to 1.50 a gallon, with a 54 cent subsidy,

the new way is ethanol is five bucks a gallon,
subisidy still in place,

but I am forced to buy gas that
is ten percent ethanol,
from Republican law change,
that took effect May 2006
...

I will look up the number of the
Energy policy act of 2005, if anyone is interested.

[RossA]

So where can I buy an

ETHANOL SUCKS

bumper-sticker?

[Doctor Stochastic]

Yep.