What if Ukraine will "not able TO BUY this extra gas for the storage tanks" IN WINTER? I think we all know what will happen. See my tagline.
Posted on 06/23/2006 7:04:42 PM PDT by A. Pole
Kiev 17:45
Neftegaz Ukrainy admits the possibility of unauthorized tapping of gas pipelines if its underground gas reserves run out this winter, as stated in the company's letter to the Ukrainian PM Yury Yekhanurov of June 8, 2006. "Under such conditions Ukraine will be forced to tap off gas which is supposed to be transported further, thereby giving Russia grounds for accusing Ukraine of theft and presenting the country as an unreliable partner in the eyes of the European community," the document reads. The company explained that if the planned volume of gas was not injected into the underground gas storage facilities, the limited inlet capacity of Ukrainian pipelines would not permit the arising gas deficit to be compensated by means of direct supplies from Russia without reducing supplies to the European countries.
To that end Neftegaz Ukrainy requested that the government grant the company a loan worth $1bn to pay off the debt to RosUkrEnergo and purchase extra gas for the underground gas storage facilities.
The company also said that the loan received from ABN AMRO worth $500m would permit gas to be purchased for underground storage till the end of June. However, the company's debt to RosUkrEnergo totaled $581.9m in Q1 2006 and the debt to Ukrgaz-Energo for supplies starting from in April reached $25.5m. Due to a lack of current assets, the company is unable to purchase the necessary volume of gas, which may result in a gas deficit worth 3.3bn cubic meters in Q2 2006.
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Neftegaz Ukrainy admits the possibility of unauthorized tapping of gas pipelines if its underground gas reserves run out this winter, as stated in the company's letter to the Ukrainian PM Yury Yekhanurov of June 8, 2006. ==
They did it many times before. But they will pay for it. Soon NEP will be built and ukranian thievery will be gone.
You just read carefully what cited document says and you won't need no speculations:).
"Under such conditions Ukraine will be forced to tap off gas which is supposed to be transported further, thereby giving Russia grounds for accusing Ukraine of theft and presenting the country as an unreliable partner in the eyes of the European community," the document reads.
Ukraine tapped off gas before. So what is new? Europe and Russia just need to build NEP as soon as possible to stop this.
"To that end Neftegaz Ukrainy requested that the government grant the company a loan worth $1bn to pay off the debt to RosUkrEnergo and purchase extra gas for the underground gas storage facilities."
Government subsidies to faltering businesses have historically *reduced* the efficiency of those businesses, not improved them. Economically, this makes sense, since subsidies reduce a company's incentives to be efficient; its revenue is no longer strictly tied to performance on the free market. If the Ukrainian government gives the sought-after loan, it will spell further trouble for gas provision in Ukraine.
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What if Ukraine will "not able TO BUY this extra gas for the storage tanks" IN WINTER? I think we all know what will happen. See my tagline.
The quote shows Ukrainian concern with, most of all, political ramifications, how Russia is likely to use the fact that Ukraine in order to transport the gas would need to divert gas to slander Ukraine (a need which is not an auxilary or secondary, but an essential one)
Ukraine tapped off gas before.
If you're refering to this winter, Ukraine hasn't tapped Russian gas. I don't know whose gas it was but it couldn't have been Russian, because Russia didn't have a contract to transport gas through Ukraine.
In other instances, like last year, these slanders died out quickly when the gas was discovered. Russia hadn't lost any gas, but Ukraine just got screwed because of the accusation. As everyone knows- "Slovo nie vorobei, vypustish, nie vernietsia".
I've just read news- Russia ligalized pedophilia.
Europe and Russia just need to build NEP as soon as possible to stop this.
You think you can get away from us that easily? :) The Baltic pipe's absolute maximum is 50 bill. cu. m per year, Ukraine tranposports 120.
BTW, Switzerland vs. Ukraine, who you're chearing for? ;)
I guess my "HAVE TO BUY" wasn't big enough. It's not a choice for Ukraine to buy it, it IS going to buy it. By 'buying' I mean, the amount of gas needed for the tanks and which does not exit at the European end, would be marked by Russians not as missing or "stolen" but added to the Ukrainian bill as something that Ukraine will pay for.
The quote shows Ukrainian concern with, most of all, political ramifications, how Russia is likely to use the fact that Ukraine in order to transport the gas would need to divert gas to slander Ukraine==
You strange man. In order to accquit ukranian goverment you plunge into some philological trick. "In order to transport gas would need to divert gas"? BHAHAHA:)).
So you divert my property without my consent so my customer doesn't get all transported goods means the thievery on your part. Pure and simple. So much of your "independent thinking":).
What you call speculation is independent thinking, free of Kremlin BS. Kremlin says "theft", you say "theft". ==
Usual "mantra". Let Ukraine don't steal and no one will call it "theft".
If you're refering to this winter, Ukraine hasn't tapped Russian gas. I don't know whose gas it was but it couldn't have been Russian, because Russia didn't have a contract to transport gas through Ukraine. ==
One more perl:). Ukraine stole some gas and don't know whose?:). Mazepa did you reread your own post? It is childery.
Russia HAS contract since she transports gas all 2006 year according this new contract signed on Jan 3d and she pays Naftagaz her NEW tariff: $1.6 per 1000 cubic meters. Naftagaz accepts this money. So both sides in agreement about contract.
Europe and Russia just need to build NEP as soon as possible to stop this.
You think you can get away from us that easily? :) The Baltic pipe's absolute maximum is 50 bill. cu. m per year, Ukraine tranposports 120. ==
Usual delusion of ukranian part:). Just think a little.
120 blns on ukrainian border is 60 for Europe and 60 for Ukraine herself! SO in order to supply Europe the 50 blns of NEP almost enough(we need 60 vs 50). But the "Blue flow" through Turkey will be cotinued to Italy (10 blns needed). And finita la comedia!:).
BTW 50 blns of NEP is the first stage only. It will be expanded eventually. But Gazprom will not invest no one cent into ukranian pipeline. SO after few years from now it will die peacefully because of been weared out. That is it.
Don't confuse them with facts. It interfere's with their Russian Imperial dreams.
You've read about the technicalities of transporting gas as well. Every few hundred kilimeters or so there's a station which is responsible for maintaining the pressure in the pipe. It does so by injecting more gas from the starage tanks. (called tekhnicheskiy gas). That's what meant by "in order to transport gas additional gas is needed".
Analogy: Ukraine is like a truck driver delivering gasoline. It's too bad but the truck doesn't run on water. It needs the very gasoline it is transporting.
So you divert my property without my consent so my customer doesn't get all transported goods means the thievery on your part. Pure and simple. So much of your "independent thinking":).
The only difference is when the gas gets to be diverted and bought by Ukraine- in winter time or in summer. What doesn't change is that gas has to be diverted.
One more perl:). Ukraine stole some gas and don't know whose?:). Mazepa did you reread your own post? It is childery.
I don't know whose gas was running in the pipe during that winter gas war. I've been reading Sherlock, and using his techniques I eliminated almost all the countries and am down to Somalia and Jamaica. :)
Fine, so you, a grownup :), tell me whose gas it was.
But you can't say it's Russian because if it was, then Russia is facing article 201 of the Ukrainian Criminal Codecs ( http://crime.kiev.ua/other/11.html ) for contraband, smuggling of goods through Ukrainian territory. Gasprom's Miller and Medvedev as well as the energy minister Krystenko risk getting 3 to 7 years in Ukraine's finest prisons.
Russia was transporting it's gas through Ukraine without an agreement, illegally. So in addition to being a rackateer state, Russia is also a smuggler, a controbandit.
So RusIvan, instead of calling Ukraine a thief, you should get on your knees and thank her for not pressing these charges and more importantly, for not confiscating the controband gas.
Russia HAS contract since she transports gas all 2006 year according this new contract signed on Jan 3d and she pays Naftagaz her NEW tariff: $1.6 per 1000 cubic meters. Naftagaz accepts this money. So both sides in agreement about contract.
Yes, it's all fine fine now. But who the heck knows what will happen, you've read what Yulia said. You think that the Jan. 2006 Gasprom-Naftohaz is safe -so did we about the $50 until 2009 deal ;) - but the Second Gas War :) (Vtoraia Gazovoia) is a real possibility.
In all the literature, it says that Ukraine transported 120 bill. c. m. not 60.
You still haven't answered who you're cheering for in Switzerland v. Ukraine at the World Cup?
Russia killeed 15 million Ukrainians in Eastern Ukraine and replaced them with Russians - One of the industries they wanted was Ukraines gas industry as there was none in Russia.
Now, they have the gall to cry that Ukraine is "stealiong"
BWAHAHAHAHA
http://www.eurotrib.com/story/2005/12/30/173336/17
Really?
Does surprise me in the least that you would find a socialist's point of view to proliferate on FR. Some things never change. Here's the author of your "source":
"Nickname: Jerome a Paris
User ID #: 3
Country: France
Email:
Bio:
Energy banker based, yes, in Paris, France. Writing about energy, economics, international geopolitics, European and French stuff, and whatever else catches my attention. Very strongly pro-European. Liberal in the US, libéral in France and proud of both."
Parle vous con b.s.?
Well, it all depends on what thread he's posting on - sometimes he'll claim 6 million, then 10, then 15, then 100 million, then 200 million, then 60 million. Lies are always the hardest to remember.... He still won't condemn the Ukrainian Nationalists who allied themselves with the Nazis and just recently (last year) demanded that Ukrainian soldiers in Iraq rebel against the US Army and kill US soldiers. Disgusting.
"demanded that Ukrainian soldiers in Iraq rebel against the US Army and kill US soldiers."
(yawn)
Your statement is untrue on two counts - Ukraine never did that and I never said it - but why let facts get in the way.
Read again spanalot - the Ukrainian Nationalist Organizations you have defended on FR on numerous occasions SAID IT. Shikl demanded the Ukrainian troops rebel and kill Americans in Iraq. YOU refuse to condemn the people you defend, therefore, I cannot help but to believe you think as they do. Added to that the numerous RED-BROWN type sources you use to make your points and I can only believe that you are a purveyor of RED-BROWN movements and put Ukraine ahead of the US interests.
"Ukraine was always going to be a special case, for a number of reasons:
the Soviet gas industry was born in Western Ukraine in the 1920s, and the country built the infrastructure of the industry. Most of the technical universities and research centers for the gas industry were based in Ukraine, and a good chunk of the engineers and workers that developed the giant Siberian fields in the 60s were Ukrainian. The leadership of Gazprom (the Russian company) in the 90s was largely of Ukrainian origin. In a typical anecdote from 1993, the Gazprom delegation coming to Ukraine for negotiations offered to speak Ukrainian, but it was the Ukrainian officials who did not speak the language, as some of them were (Russian) Soviet bureaucrats sent by Moscow in earlier years... But there was a general feeling that Ukraine "deserved" to keep on getting "its" gas."
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