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To: WildHorseCrash
Uhhh... When I say, "you don't really believe that nonsense" that's I'm taking your joke as seriously as, being a joke, it deserves to be taken. But if you really want to be funny, you might ease up the "Francis" line--- it was probably funny the first fifty or so times it was repeated on this site but by now it's kind of played out. http://www.google.com/search?q=lighten+up+francis+site:freerepublic.com&num=100&hl=en&lr=&as_qdr=all&start=100&sa=N&filter=0

Putting aside your ad hominems about the signers, each of which was irrelevant (aside from the criticism that some of the scientists were not in biological fields, which is a reasonable criticism), you stated that I should

"think of it as the scientists taking on the anti-science group with not only one hand tied behind their backs, but 99% of their body tied behind their backs..."

Now you're saying you didn't mean that the scientists who signed the document were anti-science, just the scientists at the Discovery Institute. That's fine, although I'd say that's more of a further clarification of a vague point on your part, not a strawman fallacy on mine.

Gould was a talented writer and I think most will give him credit for being correct about punctuated equilibrium as well as the number of genes in the human genome, which his neo-Darwinist critics thought would be far higher than Gould did.

That said, Gould was more than capable of writing screeds on occasion, given his penchant for insults e.g. "Darwin's lapdog" and he was neither a good enough nor intellectually honest enough writer to write polemics in the style of Mencken or Courter (the honesty about one's objectives in writing being what separates writers of polemics from writers of screeds).

Did you read the section on "the Bell Curve" in "the Mismeasure of Man"? Compare Gould's NYRB review of "the Bell Curve" to Thomas Sowell's review (also critical) of "the Bell Curve" http://www.mugu.com/cgi-bin/Upstream/Issues/bell-curve/sowell.html

Both are meant to be read by the layman, but one, I submit, is a screed; lines like

"It is a manifesto of conservative ideology; the book's inadequate and biased treatment of data display its primary purpose—advocacy. The text evokes the dreary and scary drumbeat of claims associated with conservative think tanks: reduction or elimination of welfare, ending or sharply curtailing affirmative action in schools and workplaces, cutting back Head Start and other forms of preschool education, trimming programs for the slowest learners and applying those funds to the gifted. (I would love to see more attention paid to talented students, but not at this cruel price.)"

are in fact, it seems to me, characteristic of screeds.

One would of course make a mistake to make ad hominem arguments about Gould's ideas about punctuated equilibrium, holism in biology and even IQ based on his Marxism simply because his Marxism influenced his openess to those ideas. However, it is fair, I think to note with Thomas Sowell that it is typical of those who adhere to the "unconstrained vision" to use insult as argument, as Gould often did, and that the fact that as an Gould was in fact an adherent to the unconstrained vision is not in doubt, e.g. in the "Ever Since Darwin" chapter on Angel's contribution to an understanding of the evolution of the human species, Gould states that:

"If we took Engels's message to heart and recognized our belief in the superiority of pure research for what it is-namely social prejudice-then we might forge among scientists the union between theory and practice that a world teetering dangerously near the brink so desperately needs."

A view like that in no way way invalidates his scientific ideas--- but it does explain why he took scientific disagreement so personally and often responded to those who disagreed with him in moral rather than scientific terms.
432 posted on 06/25/2006 9:36:31 AM PDT by mjolnir ("All great change in America begins at the dinner table.")
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To: mjolnir
The "lighten up, Francis" line wasn't me trying to be funny; it was me trying to say to you, in a light-hearted, polite way, to "pull the stick out of your ass." So instead, I'll just say, pull the friggin' stick out of your ass. It was a joke. No need for a multiple paragraph analysis about whether it is theoretically possible to ridicule the ridiculous
483 posted on 06/25/2006 6:58:57 PM PDT by WildHorseCrash
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