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To: Rokke
The thing about a missile or a bomb taking down an aircraft is that it leaves loads of irrefutable evidence. Evidence that can't be covered up.

Aren't you making a 'straw man' assumption that if a missile exploded, it was outside the aircraft?

Kind of like killing someone at close range with a shotgun blast. There are thousands of pieces of easily identifiable shrapnel from the weapon itself that leave thousands of easily identifiable holes all over the target they strike. Those holes usually contain microscopic or larger traces of whatever made them.

And if it exploded inside? -- Say inside the center fuel tank?

But in the case of TWA 800, what you have is a body that's been badly mangled but reconstructed until it is 95% whole. There is no evidence of anything resembling a shotgun blast to that body,

Which only rules out an external explosion, correct?

but a group of people who have no experience with shotguns or their effects on the human body, want to claim the body was killed by a shotgun.

Another 'straw man' type argument. You claim an external explosion, not me.

No one is disputing that a shotgun can kill people. But it simply can't without leaving a trace of evidence.

True enough. there is still an entrance wound, even if the the shot charge hasn't expanded to "thousands" of fragments.

The same is true, in my opinion of the video that you and others believe they saw. A video like that is something that couldn't disappear without a trace or even a mention in the MSM.

It was mentioned a ~lot~ outside the MSM, -- on the web & radio, if memory serves.

You believe you watched it, and I believe that is what you believe.

Big of you. - I believe you sincerely believe the government version of events.
- Isn't it nice that we patronize one another? Kumbya.

And if that is true, so did millions and millions of people up and down the East Coast.

Millions? - Hype. -- The tape was shown briefly, late at night on one network feed, as I recall. I'd guess that thousands saw it, not millions.

That includes competing media outlets all up and down the East Coast. Yet, the only mention anyone can find about such a video is an article by one of the leading TWA 800 conspiracy theorists in the world, who claims the video was never shown on television. So those of us who never saw the video are left with a choice of options.

Yep, you can believe that thousands of TV viewers, and hundreds of eyewitnesses spontaneously dreamed up a streak of light rising from the horizon before the explosion.

We can believe the TWA 800 "Zapruder Film" [telling derisionary comment] marks the first time in history, that every media source successfully conspired together to hide and deny evidence so startling people like you can never forget it, or we can believe that maybe the video wasn't quite what you remember it as.

And, we who can't believe our lying eyes can believe you folks insincerely pander to the government version of events in order to be politically correct.
- Isn't it nice that we patronize one another? Kumbya.

Regardless, folks like tpaine recall it strongly enough to remember where the camera was positioned with respect to the guests at the party. And that it was a stationary camera. And he says it did not show a streak of light hitting TWA 800. It didn't even show TWA 800. It showed a streak of light followed by a large flash.

Yep, that's what I, and thousands of others saw on the tape. And its corroborated by hundreds of eyewitnesses.

TWA 800 did not explode into a fireball until 41 seconds after the initial event that caused its demise.

Does this mean there was no 'large flash' from the "initial event", the supposed fuel tank explosion?

So unless the video ran for the length of time a missile would be in flight (around 15 seconds)

Well, at least you're finally admitting the time line for the tape is possible.

plus the 41 seconds from the first event until the fireball, then there is no telling what the video was of.

The tape ended with the initial large flash and people running to the rail pointing above.

Do you recall if there was a time and date stamp on the video?

None that I saw.

And finally, the link you provided regarding the witness study is an article based entirely on evidenced provided by the NTSB in its accident report. Have you read the report? It might save you a lot of internet search time. It is very comprehensive.

The Warren Report was also a very "comprehensive" refutation of what our lying eyes saw in the Zapruder Film.. Thanks for bringing up the subject of government report credibility.

882 posted on 06/28/2006 11:34:58 AM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine
"Aren't you making a 'straw man' assumption that if a missile exploded, it was outside the aircraft?"

In my opinion, the whole missile theory is a straw man. It doesn't matter where it exploded.

"And if it exploded inside? -- Say inside the center fuel tank?"

Then it got there without leaving a trace, and it exploded without leaving a trace. You realize the center wing tank is actually divided into 4 separate chambers by aluminum "walls". Almost all of it was recovered. None of it showed evidence of a warhead detonation.

"Which only rules out an external explosion, correct?"

Only if you think an internal explosion wouldn't be even more messy.

"Millions? - Hype. -- The tape was shown briefly, late at night on one network feed, as I recall. I'd guess that thousands saw it, not millions."

You said the tape was played repeatedly for half an hour. And does your local NBC affiliate only cover a small town? If so, how did they possibly win the bidding war for the tape described in the article you linked about the tape?

"Yep, you can believe that thousands of TV viewers, and hundreds of eyewitnesses spontaneously dreamed up a streak of light rising from the horizon before the explosion."

Where do you get your numbers?

"Yep, that's what I, and thousands of others saw on the tape. And its corroborated by hundreds of eyewitnesses."

Both groups of which are remarkably silent as there isn't evidence to support either of your claims.

"Does this mean there was no 'large flash' from the "initial event", the supposed fuel tank explosion?"

Yes. Remember that the fuel tank only contained a very small amount of fuel and fuel vapor.

"Well, at least you're finally admitting the time line for the tape is possible."

So, was the tape a minute long?

"The tape ended with the initial large flash and people running to the rail pointing above."

Okay. Pointing how high?

983 posted on 06/28/2006 8:40:00 PM PDT by Rokke
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