[DustyMoment]

The situation in Vietnam is different from the situation in Iraq for so many reasons. In my opinion the biggest reasons are 1) the Armed forces are all volunteer; and 2) Iraq is a theatre in the larger war with the Jahidists.

This is different from where we started this discussion and from what you said. I wasn't comparing Iraq to Vietnam, I made the statement (in effect) that the left's strategy for defeat in Iraq is predicated on the success they had in turning the tide of public opinion against the war in Vietnam.

I would also that the left's position on Vietnam wasn't the beginning of their downfall. Rather, IMO, it was the Carter presidency and the clown parade of Mondale and Dukakis that followed that was the start of their slide down the slippert slope to the bottom. Clinton sealed the deal and brought forth a newer, nastier, meaner, more partisan, more socialist party. The likes of Dean, Kerry, Kennedy, Kucinich, Daschle, Pelosi and Reid have served only to drag the Dem party into deeper into the sludge and slime.

[brazzaville]

Good afternoon.
"IMO, it was the Carter presidency and the clown parade of Mondale and Dukakis that followed that was the start of their slide down the slippert slope to the bottom."

I would argue that Vietnam, and Nixon's fall, opened the door for the rabid Leftists we see today.

Nixon was demonized and driven out of town by a DemocRAT party that had been made strong by the antiwar movement.

Jimmah Cahtuh was elected because he wasn't a Republican, followed by Ronaldus Maximus because he was not Cahtuh and because he was Ronnie.

Since then the Left has gone even more to the left because they haven't produced anyone but Clinton who could even get into the White house other than as a guest. It's making them crazier than they already were.

Michael Frazier