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To: narses
I am stating my beliefs, and if they are at variance with yours, you may live by yours. I have studied Scripture, in Greek, Hebrew, and Latin, as well as English editions of various interpretations.

I do not give credence to your "only true church" theory. Paul agrees with me. Your church's history says it all. do you happen to remember the Dark ages, and those pesky little stories?

I know in Whom I believe, and am persuaded that membership on your roles won't have much sway with St. Pete! The keys are in God's hands! Every bit of falsity you claim, will come from your church's teachings. I am sure you have been well trained, grasshopper!

I guess it easier to belong to an organization. But, my Scriptures teach that we all have sinned, and have fallen short of the Glory of God. The penalty is death, and eternal damnation. There is only one way to restore the ties, to gain eternity with Him, and that is through faith in Jesus, not His church! God is a Spirit, and those that worship Him, must do in Sprit and in Truth! I didn't say it, He did!

67 posted on 06/21/2006 6:21:16 AM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: pageonetoo

The Scriptures that you read are a product of the Catholic church, which was one Church until the Orthodox separated in 1054.

There were many, many books and letters being circulated in the first 400 years of the Early Church. If you had been a Christian during that time, you would not have had a clue about which books (other than the Old Testament) to regard as the Word of God. The teachings of the Church would be what would have directed your beliefs. It was only in the late 300's that the Church definitively chose which books would be included in the Canon and which would not. How was it decided? The Councils of the Church relied on the Holy Spirit to direct them in choosing which should be in and which should be out. There were many writings by good and holy men, such as the Epistles of Clement (4th pope and a good friend of St. Paul: “And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.” Philippians 4:3). According to Eusebius in 325 AD, Clement‘s First Epistle was considered to be divinely inspired while St. John’s Revelation was not! It was not until the Councils of the Church, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, that each of the books to be included in the Canon were chosen. This occurred at the Council of Hippo in 393 AD, the First Council of Carthage in 397 AD, and the Second Council of Carthage in 419 AD.

During the Dark Ages, the monastaries of the Church preserved all learning (history, science, philosophy, etc.), as well as the physical books which contained it, from the invading hordes (Goths, Vandals, etc.). It is now generally agreed that the Catholic Church preserved civilization during this time. The greatest philosopher of all time, St. Thomas Aquinas, built on the philosophical thought of Aristotle, which he would not have been able to do had the Church not preserved Aristotle's writings. This is just one example of many.


78 posted on 06/21/2006 6:44:30 AM PDT by nanetteclaret (Our Lady's Hat Society)
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To: pageonetoo
There is only one way to restore the ties, to gain eternity with Him, and that is through faith in Jesus, not His church!

Then why did Christ create what He Himself called the "church?"

251 posted on 06/21/2006 12:28:07 PM PDT by Romish_Papist (St. Jude, pray for my lost cause. St. Rita, pray for my impossible situation.)
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