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To: hunter112
I supported war in Iraq, but only because I thought our leadership had the guts to fight all out. If I had believed that we were going to play Vietnam-style patty-cake with the Islamunists, I wouldn't have backed it. Our pansy-assed handling of worthless Iraqi trash, and the way we demoralize our troops Murtha-fashion, have tied our hands in dealing with Iran and North Korea. I doubt we'd have the guts to blow up Pyongyang if they ever lobbed a rocket into our soil, especially if it were an unpopulated Aleutian island.

I grow more and more angry every day as the promise of a heroic victory in Iraq is being broken by a raft of "play nice" rules of engagement there. Our men - our brothers, fathers, uncles, friends - our dying there because our military leadership (or political leadership) has changed tactics leaving our soldiers exposed to attack. How many of our men have died or been maimed because we didn't want to appear to harsh or mean in our response to attacks from insurgents? How many of our own casualties do we have because we are so afraid that there will be accidental or collateral civilian casualties which are an inherrant part of warfare?

The muzzies don't care how nice we play. They see that as weakness on our part that they take advantage of - every advantage that they can get.

We had the right idea going in. But we're screwing it up now that we're there. We used to know how to do what we're doing there. Either we've forgotten or we're unwilling to do what needs done. For example, if we have insurgents placing remotely detonated IEDs on a highway that our troops use, we then totally secure the highway and reserve for our own exclusive use. We demolish all building too close to the highway, erect concertina wire around the highway periphery, and send patrols up and down the highway constantly that will challenge or kill anything that moves near the concertina wire. The Iraqis can find other routes, while we have our own safe routes. We need to set up more occupied zones and expand them. Etcetera. We need to do this right. Not one American soldier should be lost because political policy overrode good military policy. If we have to choose between the deat of an American soldier and the collateral death of an Iraqi civilian, the answer should be obvious. This is war, dammit. So act like it.

The same goes for Iran and North Korea. We will lose far less life and have far less military effort if we deal with the problems now - nip them in the bud - then if we let this go on too long. I'd rather pay the cost now then have my grandchildren live in a world where they face nuclear annihilation from the muzzie nutcases in Iran or the insane communists in North Korea. If it means World War III, then guess what, it means it. In fact, WWIII started on 9/11 and we need to start acting like it for once.

333 posted on 06/20/2006 7:02:08 AM PDT by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: Spiff
I grow more and more angry every day...

My sentiments exactly - esp. with folks like Murtha and Sheehan.

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Where's that filthy basta*d Murtha on this?

337 posted on 06/20/2006 7:04:38 AM PDT by Sic Luceat Lux
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To: Spiff
If it means World War III, then guess what, it means it. In fact, WWIII started on 9/11 and we need to start acting like it for once.

Actually, I prefer to think of this as World War IV. To me, WW III was what historians call the "Cold War", and while the world avoided the massive nuclear exchange that was feared during that time, many millions died around the world in the battle between the free world and communism.

Perhaps the fact that we won WW III (or, if you prefer, the Cold War) by our enemy going down not with a bang, but a whimper, the thought was planted in our leadership that that would be the preferred way to end wars. Me, I prefer the WW II way. Those ragheads in Haditha got a hell of a lot more compensation than we had to pay to civilians in Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and Dresden.

345 posted on 06/20/2006 7:16:03 AM PDT by hunter112 (Total victory at home and in the Middle East!)
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To: Spiff
We had the right idea going in. But we're screwing it up now that we're there.

Such utter BS! What has been accomplished to date in Iraq is incredible - The change of the Country over the last 3 years is amazing in itself - The values of freedom and self-worth are taking hold and spreading -

But yes it is a war zone (in some sections) - Our enemies hide among everyday civilians making situations not only difficult and dangerous but often incredibly frustrating.

We are fighting a pure evil that hides within that Country - A pure evil that has chosen to face us there and we are kicking their as$ -

How the Murtha's of the world, the DEM leadership and the MSM carry the cause for our enemies (and against our warriors) is flat out disgusting.....and without question does not help......But regardless we are clearly winning in Iraq (and Stan).

Only the resolve of the American citizens back home could effect an otherwise inevitable complete defeat of our enemies.

God bless these two soldiers and their families. Justice will be brought to those responsible....of this I am 100% certain.

369 posted on 06/20/2006 7:48:50 AM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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