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To: Daus
Without proper civilian oversight, a Zarqawi-style success can easily become a "Black Hawk Down."

Um, didn't "Blackhawk Down" become a "Black Hawk Down" because of the "civilian oversight" not wanting to do soemthing un-PC, rather than just letting the military do its job?
20 posted on 06/19/2006 2:23:09 PM PDT by Thrusher ("...there is no peace without victory.")
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To: Thrusher
Yeah, you really really nailed it.

It was "Civilian Over Sight" that refused the Armor Reaction force the SOF people wanted in Somalia JUST to respond to a "Black Hawk Down" type situation. Basic operations principal for SOF types They will hang it all out but they want SOME chance to pull it out if it drops in the meat grinder. They usually want some heavy hitter on call to back them up.

But of course, typical Leftist Political type, he is never willing to accept the blame for the consequences of his stupidity.

Vietnam, Desert One, Black Hawk Down. Bosnia, Sudan, The Leftist Presidents from LBJ to Carter to Clinton fumbled just about EVERY time they demanded "Civilian Over Sight" of Operations.

What ever their other flaws, bless Bush 1 and 2 with the brains to manage the politics and leave Operations to the pros.

22 posted on 06/19/2006 2:34:24 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (The Democrat Party! For people who prefer slogans over solutions!)
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To: Thrusher
Um, didn't "Blackhawk Down" become a "Black Hawk Down" because of the "civilian oversight" not wanting to do soemthing un-PC, rather than just letting the military do its job?

That and Mr. Murphy - An additional fact that often gets completely ignored is our warriors kicked as$ that day - When things went to sh*t our guys cowboy'd the hell up and took the fight to'em - They did not lose whatsoever that day or that battle - They got their marks that were at the hit location and they brought them in -

It was the WH that turned tail and ran days later -

36 posted on 06/19/2006 4:27:32 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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