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North American Union Would Trump U.S. Supreme Court
Human Events Online ^ | Jun 19, 2006 | Jerome R. Corsi

Posted on 06/19/2006 7:37:30 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer

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To: Comstock1

I guess I agree that the court has jurisdiction because of this clause, to hear cases in which treaties and the constitutional issues are raised, but I do not know if that applies to the substantive interpretation of the supremacy of the treaty clause or the equality of the treaty clause, or the inferiority of the treaty clause vis-a-vis the the Bill of Rights.

For eaxample, did anyone ever say taht if the US ientered into a treawty at the UN that said there could be no possession of firearms (in assumed violation of the 2nd amendment) I assume I could take the issue to the courts to determine if that treaty worked to take my weapon away from me.

But when the court decides between the 2nd Amendment and the treaty, who wins? I would hope that the court would always say that any provision in any treaty that violates any right in the Bill of Rights is void ab initio.

Would Clinton appointees who rely on foreign precedent always rule in favor of the Bill of Rights? Some argue in favor of eliminating the death penalty as a violation of due process that other governments now ban the death penalty. They use foreign precedent to justify their own views on constitutional interpretations.

How much further is the leap to say that the treaty trumps the Bill of Rights?


81 posted on 06/19/2006 8:48:26 AM PDT by LachlanMinnesota
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To: Toddsterpatriot

If they violate the constitution, the only way they could take effect is through an ammendment... which would require 2/3 of the states


82 posted on 06/19/2006 8:48:28 AM PDT by samson1097
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To: Theoden
President Bush the Elder = NWO
President Bush the Younger = NWO
Any questions?

Yes, when did they give up professional wrestling?

83 posted on 06/19/2006 8:48:33 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: hedgetrimmer
From the look of things, many around here have forgotten what part of the anatomy is exposed when your head is buried in the sand.
The scariest part of all is that the enemies of what is left of our Republic have done a very good propaganda job such that anyone who waves a red flag is pigeonholed in the "conspiracy nut" box, the message is ignored, and the group falls in line behind those waving the white flag.

Thanks for the PING,

GE
84 posted on 06/19/2006 8:49:32 AM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: Joan Kerrey

From your lips...


85 posted on 06/19/2006 8:49:43 AM PDT by LachlanMinnesota
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To: Rokke; hedgetrimmer

Come on over and learn what Bush is doing with the CFRs plan.


86 posted on 06/19/2006 8:50:36 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Illegal immigration Control and Border Security -The jobs George W. Bush doesn't want to do.)
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To: AmishDude

We have to set up the courts and the legislatures and figure out whom in the secret conspiracy to reveal to the public.

Hey buddy, if you leak any conspirator's name the secret police of NAFTA will arrest you. Under the terms of the secret agreement you are liable to be prosecuted without a trial and without representation.


87 posted on 06/19/2006 8:52:27 AM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: AmishDude

You nailed that 100%!

LLS


88 posted on 06/19/2006 8:53:04 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: 1rudeboy
I wouldn't know, I don't watch redneck trash.
89 posted on 06/19/2006 8:55:55 AM PDT by Theoden (Liberate te ex inferis)
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To: hedgetrimmer
Sen. John Kerry (D.-Mass.) has been quoted as saying, "When we debated NAFTA, not a single word was uttered in discussing Chapter 11. Why? Because we didn’t know how this provision would play out. No one really knew just how high the stakes would get."

Sen. John Kerry bump

90 posted on 06/19/2006 8:56:01 AM PDT by A. Pole (1Tm:6:10: "the love of money is the root of all evil")
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To: hedgetrimmer; abner; Abundy; AGreatPer; alisasny; ALlRightAllTheTime; AlwaysFree; AnnaSASsyFR; ...

BTTT!


91 posted on 06/19/2006 8:59:32 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (One flag--American. One language--English. One allegiance--to America!)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
"After all, we elected them. Even though there wasn't a real choice."

You have to remember that we elected them to follow the rules. The reason we wrote the U.S. Constitution was to create a mechanism to protect our right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, which we proclaimed before the Constitution was written. If our employees have a problem with that, we'll just have to fire them and replace them with those who have better reading and comprehension skills.

The Constitution is not a charter for tyranny, nor did we surrender the document to our our elected officials. So by what logic or reason do our employees think they can surrender our charter to a foreign power? It does not belong to them. It belongs to We the People -- individually and collectively.

92 posted on 06/19/2006 8:59:35 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: hedgetrimmer

Add me to any ping list for this subject, please. Thx.


93 posted on 06/19/2006 9:00:37 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (This is no time for bleeding hearts, pacifists, and appeasers to prevail in free world opinion.)
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To: samson1097
It would also need 2/3rds of the states to approve. I don't see that happening.

Are treaties voted upon by the several States? I thought that applied only to ratification of Constitutional amendments.

94 posted on 06/19/2006 9:00:42 AM PDT by Tonytitan
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To: hedgetrimmer

What challenges could be filed in this court would be defined, I suppose, by how deep the political integration goes. If it's mainly with regard to trade and other economic matters, we could dodge the bullet, so to speak. If it's more comprehensive, then watch out!


95 posted on 06/19/2006 9:02:14 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (One flag--American. One language--English. One allegiance--to America!)
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To: Theoden

I would think being as stupid as you are would hurt very much indeed.


96 posted on 06/19/2006 9:02:50 AM PDT by AmishDude (I am the King Nut.)
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To: KoRn; All

**lol@self

fridge=fringe


97 posted on 06/19/2006 9:04:05 AM PDT by KoRn
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To: hedgetrimmer
Glo-baloney
98 posted on 06/19/2006 9:05:03 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (A wall first. A wall now.)
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To: samson1097
If they violate the constitution, the only way they could take effect is through an ammendment(sic)... which would require 2/3 of the states

They would take effect first, then the Supreme Court would rule on Constitutionality. And it's 3/4 of the states for an amendment. So, other than those small errors. You're right on track. LOL!

99 posted on 06/19/2006 9:05:13 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: hedgetrimmer; ninenot; sittnick; steve50; Hegemony Cricket; Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; FITZ; ..
this world philosophy will increasingly put into practice methods to restrict individual liberties and to encourage an education system that, like a pedagogical Machiavelli, formats the minds according to its image

As Machiavelli tried to explain it to Montesquieu in Hell

100 posted on 06/19/2006 9:07:00 AM PDT by A. Pole (Orwell:He who controls the present, controls the past.He who controls the past, controls the future.)
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