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To: cva66snipe
Our military goal in Iraq must be clearly stated & resolved and completed and the humanitarian effort abandoned.

This statement is ridiculous on the face of it. I would accuse you of trolling except I see you have been around for like 6 years.

After each and every foreign war we have had to deal with occupation and pacification of the conquered area.

In Germany, the US lost 7,000+ troops after VE day getting control. Various insurgencies had to be put down. Folks remember the movie "Patton" but they don't remember what he was doing when he died, commanding forces in Europe overseeing this process.

Blackjack Pershing got his reputation and began his career successfully smashing the Islamic insurgency/Pirates in the Philippines after the Spanish American war. It took years but in the end, constant pressure and armed force won the day. Only recently have these groups started to rise again because of the corrupt and feckless government that has been at the helm for the last 20 years or so.

Between war and peace there is always a period where soldiers and not police are called to create the peace.

So drop the crap about how the military can't do this, we do it just fine and have for a long time.

143 posted on 06/19/2006 10:58:55 PM PDT by dalight
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To: dalight
I stated : Our military goal in Iraq must be clearly stated & resolved and completed and the humanitarian effort abandoned.

This statement is ridiculous on the face of it. I would accuse you of trolling except I see you have been around for like 6 years.

Let me ask you something. If someone is wanting to kill you by beating you to death which are you going to do? Slap them, bake them a cake while they continue to kill you and slap them again? Or will you simply haul off kick them in the crotch, smash in their face, and stop only when either they are unconscious or say enough please stop? Are you then gonna bake them a cake as a reward for picking a fight with you or will you get up, dust yourself off, and go on about your business? If the bully shows up again tomorrow and starts beating you again how much more severe will your beating on them be? While they are bashing your face will you say hey let me buy you a cup of coffee? Only a fool would.

I have raised two kids. They understood when I used discipline on them a reward for their behavior did not follow it. Praise & reward was only given for doing right.

After each and every foreign war we have had to deal with occupation and pacification of the conquered area.

AFTER THE NATION STOPPED FIGHTING AGAINST US REMEMBER THAT PART? Their threat was no more. Occupation was to our national interest at that time Note key words Our National Interest not the U.N.'s.

Between war and peace there is always a period where soldiers and not police are called to create the peace. So drop the crap about how the military can't do this, we do it just fine and have for a long time.

I served in the Cold War. I was part of the many who helped keep the peace through show of force. I have likely seen parts of this world you have not including going into a Communist nation twice where without the man with the Iron Fist ruling it all hell would break loose. Back then it was called Yugoslavia and it's dictator was Tito. Three waring factions were under control. Not a place I would want to live in but we saw what happened when he died. I was not over there for that thankfully. I have also been in places where the nations people abandon even their own children. I am old enough to remember Nam. When I enlisted even the junior NCO's who trained me were vets of that war. I remember mistakes like Pueblo where an arrogant POTUS ignored warning after warning and sent a crew to be captured by North Korea. A crew that had no means of self defense against what they faced.

Think about this for one moment. WE fought a world war and defeated three nations in 4 years. We are past the three year mark in Iraq. We have troops making their third deployments there. Where is the troop strength increases? Do you not understand we are fighting a war with numbers Bill Clinton saw as sufficient to maintain peace time conditions? September 11, 2001- June 20, 2006 nearly 5 years and no increases despite the fact our congress and POTUS have taken us into war. An unprecedented act. Did you know that IF congress and POTUS on September 12, 2001 had called for that increase the rotations I mentioned would not be necessary?

Rummy is a has been Dunce left over from those who hgave us failed policies in Nam but nobody mentions it because he's a Republican. I served under part of Rummy's first botched tenure as Sec of Defense. We have Never downsized our military at a time of war. I say raise the number of active duty Army and Marines by 100,000 permanent active duty with the Army of course getting 75,000. I say a 12 carrier fleet Navy minimum to avoid dependence on the Suez Canal for carrier transit. I would not have scapped the F-14 porject but rather improved Avionics instead saving money and keeping the King of the skies still unmatched in preformance. What does Bush say? What does Murtha say? You don't know anything about where I stand on national defense or foreign policy yet my bookmarks show it.

Here is a fact from June 1967- April 1981 we sent No Carriers through the Suez not even for the 1979-80 Iranian Crisis. Yet it is much more hostile today. We didn't send out ships alone two day from fleet either. One thing I noticed. Yemen seemed to be the hotbed for terrorist including bin Ladden. We had a U.S. Navy ship attacked there. We went to Iran under a congressional Declaration laden with U.N. Tripe. So where are the COLE bombers today? Bush did not even insist they be turned over to us. What happened? It wasn't that long ago do you remember?

150 posted on 06/20/2006 5:23:59 AM PDT by cva66snipe (If it was wrong for Clinton why do some support it for Bush? Party over nation destroys the nation.)
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