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To: Badray
You are missing the gist of my argument.
  1. I am not arguing for Rudy. I used Rudy to refute one of your points.

  2. That said, Rudy would be acceptable to me. (As would others.)

    When I vote in '08, I will be asking only one question:

    "Which candidate do I want prosecuting this war, the Republican or hillary clinton*?"

     

    (That question, alone, is enough to send "shivers down the spine," (to quote Juanita Broaddrick), of any thinking American.)


    In these perilous times, ideology must take a backseat to keeping the reins of power OUT OF THE HANDS OF THOSE WHO CANNOT BE TRUSTED WITH OUR NATIONAL SECURITY, NAMELY
    THE LEFT, IN GENERAL, AND THE CLINTONS, IN PARTICULAR.

    I know purists like you don't want to hear this, but that is
    the inconvenient truth, to borrow a phrase from you-know-who.

    I believe we must protect all our children, the born and unborn alike. And that means we must do everything to win this war.

  3. If you fall for the clintons' and the Left's 'divide and conquer' scheme, if you allow yourself to be flimflammed, to be "Peroted," one more time, you put not just yourself at grave risk. You put all of us at grave risk.

    Hence, Paddy Chayefsky.
    God save us from people who do the morally right thing. It's always the rest of us who get broken in half.

    --Paddy Chayefsky

     

    And God save us from the morally unencumbered clintons, who get us broken in half nonetheless. --Mia T


  4. That the professional pol is a system-wide problem is irrelevant to my argument. What is relevant is that it is the root cause of our problems. Cure this root cause and the RINO problem--poof!--evaporates.

    Conversely, ignore the root cause, treat only the symptoms, and the RINO--(along with all the other self-serving DC beasties)--survives intact.

    *(or whichever D gets the nod)

164 posted on 06/20/2006 6:09:45 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: UWSrepublican

fyi


167 posted on 06/20/2006 12:27:29 PM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Mia T
You are missing the gist of my argument.

No, I am not. I just don't agree with you.

I am not arguing for Rudy. I used Rudy to refute one of your points.

For not arguing for Rudy, you sure tried to make a case for his election. I only addressed him because you brought him up.

That said, Rudy would be acceptable to me. (As would others.)

To me, he's is utterly unacceptable. Perhaps as the secretary of Defense or State, where his talents could be utilized, but I don't want him holding the reins of power.

When I vote in '08, I will be asking only one question: "Which candidate do I want prosecuting this war, the Republican or hillary clinton*?"

Be careful, some here will denounce you as a 'single issue' voter and that's not allowed. ;-)

Seriously though, the only way that 'she' or any other Dem can win is if we nominate him or McCain. If we hold strong and nominate a conservative -- without compassion -- we can and will win and continue to kick ass for generations to come. We need to have a clear choice, not an echo or shadow of the Dems. The people need a clear choice. They will vote for a real Democrat before they vote for a phony Republican.

(That question, alone, is enough to send "shivers down the spine," (to quote Juanita Broaddrick), of any thinking American.)

Shivers, sure, but not enough to make me back a nicer socialist whose best quality is that he/she isn't Hillary.

In these perilous times, ideology must take a backseat to keeping the reins of power OUT OF THE HANDS OF THOSE WHO CANNOT BE TRUSTED WITH OUR NATIONAL SECURITY, NAMELY THE LEFT, IN GENERAL, AND THE CLINTONS, IN PARTICULAR.

You can't be more wrong. Ideology -- what we stand for -- must be paramount. We must articulate it and live it. We can't put it away in times of peril. Our ideology is what we are fighting for. Our ideology is what makes us different and better. Put it aside? Hogwash.

I know purists like you don't want to hear this, but that is the inconvenient truth, to borrow a phrase from you-know-who.

So now you use algore quotes to make your case? LOL And if I am a 'purist' does that make you unclean?

I believe we must protect all our children, the born and unborn alike. And that means we must do everything to win this war.

So, to protect the unborn, you would put a baby killer in charge? Isn't that like screwing for virginity (to borrow another leftist phrase)?

If you fall for the clintons' and the Left's 'divide and conquer' scheme, if you allow yourself to be flimflammed, to be "Peroted," one more time, you put not just yourself at grave risk. You put all of us at grave risk.

Nice fear mongering. Did you go to school for that or do you get the GOP talking points? If there is any 'flim flam' it is you who have been fooled because you will accept a paler version of what you say you don't want to avoid getting what you don't want. If there is a flim flam going on, it isn't Hillary and Company unless she and the RINOs are in cahoots (ya think?). You are playing their game and giving them a victory no matter who wins. I'm willing to risk losing -- and still be able to fight and hold my head high -- by voting for a solid constitutionalist not some Hillary clone who claims to be a Republican.

Hence, Paddy Chayefsky. God save us from people who do the morally right thing. It's always the rest of us who get broken in half. --Paddy Chayefsky

Don't blame me for your not wanting to do what's right. Do what's right and leave the results up to God. To argue for not doing the right thing is unbecoming of you.

And God save us from the morally unencumbered clintons, who get us broken in half nonetheless. --Mia T

So which is it? Do you want the morally bankrupt or the moral? There really is no in between. Like pregnancy, you can't be a little pregnant. Either you are or you aren't pregnant. Either you are or aren't moral.

That the professional pol is a system-wide problem is irrelevant to my argument. What is relevant is that it is the root cause of our problems. Cure this root cause and the RINO problem--poof!--evaporates. Conversely, ignore the root cause, treat only the symptoms, and the RINO--(along with all the other self-serving DC beasties)--survives intact.

How can it be irrelevant to the general if it's so relevant to the specific?

The professional pol grows more powerful and more corrupt the longer they are in office. The long time leftist uses that power to corrupt and control their junior members. That's a huge problem. RINOs are a problem whether they are brand new to office or if they've been there for 30 years because they are liberals and vote with the liberals. Believe it or not Mia T., ideology matters and it matters all the time.

Mia, have you ever heard the expression, "To a hammer, every problem looks like a nail."?

That's you. You have done a wonderful job of hammering the clintons for a long, long time. But they do not control the universe or even the politics in this country. They do not have the power that you ascribe to them. He can't run. She can't win. She probably won't even run -- unless we do the incredibly stupid thing and nominate a RINO. If you want to see her relegated to the ash heap of history, fight for a strong conservative.

Don't fall for the canard that says to vote for the rightward most candidate. In a race between Hitler (yeah, Adolph) and Josef Stalin, you'd be supporting Hitler because he was more to the right than Stalin. The problem is that they were both kissing cousin totalalitarians on the far left end of the spectrum, but one was 'more rightward'. (no, neither you nor Rudy or anyone else here is Hitler. It was just an anology to illustrate that bad is bad. Hitler was to the right of Stalin, but he was no less bad.

To abandon ideology is to abandon America completely. America will fight the plans of a horrible leftist Dem, but will succumb to the siren call of a nice Republican socialist.

168 posted on 06/20/2006 1:35:43 PM PDT by Badray (CFR my ass. There's not too much money in politics. There's too much money in government hands.)
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