Tsar admits: we've lost the war on drugs

The Scotsman ^ | Sun 18 Jun 2006 | MARCELLO MEGA AND KATE FOSTER

[SittinYonder]

Even though probition didn't work

During prohibition they never executed people for possession. If we want to win the WOD, the most severe penalties will have to be imposed.

[SittinYonder]

The "drug problem" would be over in about 6 months.

What about when all the 16 year olds and 17 year old hit 18?

[seasoned traditionalist]

"I have long said that the only way we will win the war on drugs is if we impose the death penalty for possession. Others have suggested it is unreasonable and harsh, and maybe it is, but you can't win a war without piling up some bodies."?

I DO hope your joshing?

Cuz if you are serious, you have a real problem.

While I don't condone the use of drugs (and I support stiff penalties for "DEALERS") the thought of even considering such draconian penalties for simple possession, as you are, makes YOU a prime candidate for some of dat Jim Jones Koolaid!

Or better yet, perhaps you should consider emigrating to Singapore--where peoples rights' begin and end at the border.

[gandalftb]

Sorry about your problem, our "family doctor" prescribed Pamelor for my wife. After two years of brain scrambling from misuse of that drug and others, mixed with alcohol, she was institutionalized. When I had the "doctor" prosecuted, he plead guilty, was only fined and got a year of "counseling" while his "patient" spent two years in therapy/detox.

Agreed, we can't even control "legal" drug use, where do we get our priorities?

[mugs99]

Why didn't Singapore lose its war on drugs?

Everything you think you know about Singapore is wrong. Illegal drugs are cheap and plentiful in Singapore. Killing drug users has not worked in Singapore, Indonesia, China or North Korea. You want to try here?
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[taxed2death]

Welcome them to "The big league".

Let them see the effing morons flopping around like a carp on a dock, pissing and crapping their pants as they OD.

How's THAT for compassionate conservatism? LOL

Tell them..."This is your brain on drugs.....want some"? Sign up right here.

I don't think there would be too many takers.

[durasell]

In a fallen world, everyone is going to depressed at some point in time...




Bingo!

[gandalftb]

If your life is to any degree socialized more than a turnip, you will eventually have family and friends with a drug or alcohol problem. Would you tell us what you'd like to tell the court, that is about to sentence them to death, when your loved ones (assuming you have any) are up for final judgement?

[Lady Jag]

Why doesn't government realize we could feed a trillion, or don't they want to?

[mugs99]

Cymbalta. I believe that it has made her nuts

It has...but it's legal don'tcha know.
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[SittinYonder]

Or better yet, perhaps you should consider emigrating to Singapore--where peoples rights' begin and end at the border.

If you violate the law you've given up your rights. This isn't an issue of rights. The government has the authority to make crimes punishable by death.

We are losing this war on drugs our country is fighting. If you want to talk about rights, think of what is happening under the current situation - seizing private property. If you are a landlord and someone is using your property to grow or sell drugs, you can lose your property. That's merely one example of the outrageous violations to the Constitution that our government is committing every day under the War On Drugs.

As many others here have pointed out, the WOD is so beneficial to the government in terms of the revenue it generates, there is no real desire to win. The government has interests in continuing the present state of affairs.

But the present state of affairs does nothing to stop drug use, it only allows the government to continue to grow, continue to invade the lives of individuals and violate our personal freedoms.

I believe a decision must be made to end the current state of affairs, and after significant time considering the options available to us, I am convinced that the only way we will win the War on Drugs is to impose the most severe punishment we can for those caught in possession of drugs.

I'm absolutely not joshing. I believe the present state of affairs is helping to grow our government and destroy our country from within.

[tacticalogic]

I also don't execute murderers.

The question wasn't whether you do, but if you would.

[tacticalogic]

I'm proposing what I believe is the only solution for winning the WOD. I'm not interested in executing people myself.

So much for the idea of a self-governing nation.

[SittinYonder]

Would you tell us what you'd like to tell the court, that is about to sentence them to death, when your loved ones (assuming you have any) are up for final judgement?

War is hell.

[SittinYonder]

The question wasn't whether you do, but if you would.

I would execute murderers.

[durasell]

So, we become a nation that executes tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands?

[tacticalogic]

Then why won't you execute a 14 year-old who got caught with a joint, if that's what he deserves?

[seasoned traditionalist]

"Here is one conservative, and not a Libertine, that understands there is just as much money and interest in continuing the war on the "law" side as there is on the "lawless" side that have a vested interest in continuing "the was".

Very little at the state and especially Federal level these days is as simple as "right and wrong". You hit the nail right on the head.

The WOD is a "growth industry. Then there are all the extra Judges, Probation/Parole Officers, Court Clerks, Public Defenders, Paid Lawyers who profit(are employed because of this WOD) therefrom.

Then there are all the additional prisons which have been/are being built, as well as all the Corrections Officers, Admin. Staff, Counselors, outside vendors, contractors, etc., who benefit from this situation.

We now imprison more people than ANY other country IN THE WORLD and at least half, are for drug related offenses, and of those, most are for mere possession.

Insanity.

Of course as Sittin Yonder has suggested, what we really should do is simply execute them all, and then we would not have to worry about prison overpopulation problems.

[Ken H]

Tsar admits: we've lost the war on drugs,

Sheriff Joe Arpaio wouldn't put up with such a defeatist, nonsensical statement! Right?

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Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County, Ariz., knows the frustration in that sentiment. "I don't know how to stop the drug traffic, and I've been in it for 38 years," the sheriff, widely touted as the toughest cop in the nation, told Harper's in 2001. "I think if I knew, I'd be the president. I can give you what's been said 50 years ago. ... It's the same thing we're saying today – tough law enforcement, prevention, rehabilitation ... Nothing's changed.

The stuff coming across the border that we catch? Ten percent. Fifty years ago, 10 percent. Today, 10 percent. Nothing's changed ... I don't know how to solve the problem. Don't ask me."

-- http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1156176/posts

[mugs99]

Seems SittinYonder knows somewhere deep down that the WoD is a fraud

Sure he does...and he's right. The only way to win the drug war is to execute all drug users, but this war isn't about drugs. It's about business...the law enforcement/prison industry needs the drug war.

1 in 37 adults living in the United States is in prison or has served time there...the highest incarceration level in the world. Today, the USA keeps more than two million people behind bars, compared with only 200,000 three decades ago. With 5 percent of the world's population, we account for 25 percent of its prison population.

The law enforcement/prison industry would not have that spectacular growth without the drug war. Thousands of public servants depend on the drug war for their income, health and retirement benefits.
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