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Tsar admits: we've lost the war on drugs
The Scotsman ^ | Sun 18 Jun 2006 | MARCELLO MEGA AND KATE FOSTER

Posted on 06/18/2006 9:22:25 AM PDT by SittinYonder

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To: headsonpikes; SittinYonder

21 posted on 06/18/2006 9:42:34 AM PDT by Lady Jag (You can complain because roses have thorns, or you can rejoice because thorns have roses.)
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To: tacticalogic
Will you walk up a put a bullet in the first 14 year old kid we catch with a joint in his pocket?

No.

22 posted on 06/18/2006 9:42:38 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan,)
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To: SittinYonder
Then you must not be committed to the War.
23 posted on 06/18/2006 9:43:53 AM PDT by H. Paul Pressler IV
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To: KoRn
Then you remove the demand by punishing those who demand it so severely that it's not worth it anymore.

We cannot maintain and continue the current state of affairs. The costs in terms of tax dollars and the eroding of our individual liberties are exorbitant.

24 posted on 06/18/2006 9:45:56 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan,)
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To: H. Paul Pressler IV
Then you must not be committed to the War.

Are you questioning my committment?

25 posted on 06/18/2006 9:46:50 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan,)
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To: SittinYonder
"I strongly disagree when he says that the war on drugs in Scotland is lost. The Scottish Executive Drug Action Plan acknowledged that tackling drug misuse is a complex problem, demanding many responses. It is explicit within the strategy that to effectively tackle drug misuse, the various pillars of the plan cannot operate in isolation."

To properly evaluate Mr. Pearson's statement, we must ask if Mr. Pearson would have a problem making his house payment, car payment, buying groceries and paying bills if the Scottish war on drugs vanished.

26 posted on 06/18/2006 9:46:59 AM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: SittinYonder

But you believe someone else should do it for you?


27 posted on 06/18/2006 9:49:16 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: SittinYonder

I believe you said something about piling up bodies = winning the War on Drugs.


However, no it seems you are not willing to do the dirty work of piling up the bodies of drug users.


28 posted on 06/18/2006 9:50:12 AM PDT by H. Paul Pressler IV
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To: Lady Jag

If the same ingenuity was applied to food production as cannabis production, we could feed a trillion.

Mrs VS


29 posted on 06/18/2006 9:51:10 AM PDT by VeritatisSplendor
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To: durasell
The "war" is actually an on-going struggle against one of society's worst sicknesses.

No, the "war" IS an expression of one of society's worst sicknesses - namely, the utopian desire to "improve" humanity.

To H*ll with it.

30 posted on 06/18/2006 9:53:31 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: SittinYonder

Would you impose a death penalty for adultry and divorce?

Some would say those crimes of life do far more damage then anyone ever taking a hit of pot.


31 posted on 06/18/2006 9:56:16 AM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: H. Paul Pressler IV; SittinYonder

I'd pile up bodies of terrorists. Seems SittinYonder knows somewhere deep down that the WoD is a fraud.


32 posted on 06/18/2006 9:58:04 AM PDT by thoughtomator (A thread without a comment on immigration is not complete)
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To: KoRn

My belief is that if we are going to have a war against illegal drugs, then we should also have a war against "legal" or prescribed drugs.

My ex-wife's quack doctor has her on an anti-depressant called Cymbalta. I believe that it has made her nuts. She will call me up one week saying she wants to get back together, then the next week she hates me again. And she forgets things and makes up crazy stories, which she did not do before she was put on this so-called anti-depressant. In a fallen world, everyone is going to depressed at some point in time, but instead of just accepting that and dealing with it we have instead bought into the lie that we need medication and therefore have made drug companies and doctors rich.


33 posted on 06/18/2006 9:59:14 AM PDT by texasmountainman (Remember the heroic men and women of Flight 93-go watch United 93.)
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To: headsonpikes

Exactly. That's why lying and divorce and greed aren't illegal.

But somehow the drug war lives on. Even though probition didn't work somehow we are under the impression that eventually the drug war will.

You can't make people make the right choices for themselves.

You have to let people be self destructive.


34 posted on 06/18/2006 10:00:00 AM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: tacticalogic
But you believe someone else should do it for you?

I'm proposing what I believe is the only solution for winning the WOD. I'm not interested in executing people myself.

35 posted on 06/18/2006 10:00:15 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan,)
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To: H. Paul Pressler IV
However, no it seems you are not willing to do the dirty work of piling up the bodies of drug users

I also don't execute murderers.

36 posted on 06/18/2006 10:01:09 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan,)
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To: SittinYonder
Iran has the most drastic penalties for drug possession and use, death in nearly every case. They also are the most addicted nation, by far, almost 2.5%. They also have the largest drug trafficking activity, by far. Their problem has been ongoing for over 50 years and is getting worse every day.

They have also stopped drug executions because there would have to be so many, there would be a civil war.

After the massive earthquake in Bam, the UN and American relief agencies had to buy and distribute heroin to keep the 10,000+ junkies from dying of withdrawal, creating more casualties than the earthquake.

Penalties and punishment won't ever work by themselves. The main result of prohibition has been the enriching and empowering of the drug cartels.

The greatest fear of all drug users is getting caught. Until you can over-counter that with a more powerful alternative not to use, drug users will not quit.

Ask any drug addict how big their habit is and they will tell you that it solely depends on how much money they have.

That's the reality folks.

You don't declare war on your own people, families and friends.

Secure the borders, provide realistic and effective treatment, completely decriminalize marijuana, stop the farming of poppies and cocaine in foreigh countries anyway we have to. We have to get Congress to pull it's head out of where the sun don't shine, on this problem.

37 posted on 06/18/2006 10:04:45 AM PDT by gandalftb
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To: Almondjoy
Would you impose a death penalty for adultry and divorce?

We don't have a national war on adultry and divorce. If we did, I suspect it would move along very much like the WOD does. And then I suppose that I would probably weigh the costs of that WoAaD and come to a similar conclusion.

Of course, that's a strawman, isn't it? The topic of discussion is the WOD, not the WoAaD.

38 posted on 06/18/2006 10:04:46 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan,)
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To: KoRn
Here is one conservative, and not a Libertine, that understands there is just as much money and interest in continuing the war on the "law" side as there is on the "lawless" side that have a vested interest in continuing "the was".

Very little at the state and especially Federal level these days is as simple as "right and wrong".

And very few, if any, politicians operate on pure principle, unless we are talking about financial principle, these days.

Hate being such a "wet blanket" on a holiday.

But em are the facts as I see them.

Of course I have been becoming more and more cynical with age. Perhaps that is it and we really do have a "righteous society representing our Republic".

39 posted on 06/18/2006 10:06:18 AM PDT by ImpBill ("America ... Where are you now?")
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To: SittinYonder

I think everyone above the age of 18 (who wants to do drugs) should be supplied with any / all free drugs that they can shove down their gullet.

The "drug problem" would be over in about 6 months. It's the easiest cheapest solution.


40 posted on 06/18/2006 10:07:02 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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