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Tsar admits: we've lost the war on drugs
The Scotsman ^ | Sun 18 Jun 2006 | MARCELLO MEGA AND KATE FOSTER

Posted on 06/18/2006 9:22:25 AM PDT by SittinYonder

SCOTLAND'S drugs tsar has sparked a furious row by openly declaring that the war on drugs is "long lost".

Tom Wood, a former deputy chief constable, is the first senior law enforcement figure publicly to admit drug traffickers will never be defeated.

Wood said no nation could ever eradicate illegal drugs and added that it was time for enforcement to lose its number one priority and be placed behind education and deterrence.

But his remarks have been condemned by Graeme Pearson, director of the Scottish Crime and Drug Enforcement Agency (SCDEA), who said he "strongly disagreed" with Wood.

The row has erupted as concern mounts about the apparent inability of police, Customs and other agencies to stem the flow of illegal drugs. It was reported yesterday that an eight-year-old Scottish school pupil had received treatment for drug addiction.

And despite decades of drug enforcement costing millions of pounds, Scotland has one of the worst drug problems in Europe, with an estimated 50,000 addicts. At least half a million Scots are believed to have smoked cannabis and 200,000 are believed to have taken cocaine.

Wood holds the influential post of chairman of the Scottish Association of Alcohol and Drug Action Teams, a body which advises the Executive on future policy. The fact that Wood and Pearson are at loggerheads over the war on drugs is severely embarrassing for ministers.

Wood said: "I spent much of my police career fighting the drugs war and there was no one keener than me to fight it. But latterly I have become more and more convinced that it was never a war we could win.

"We can never as a nation be drug-free. No nation can, so we must accept that. So the message has to be more sophisticated than 'just say no' because that simple message doesn't work.

"For young people who have already said 'yes', who live in families and communities where everybody says 'yes', we have to recognise that the battle is long lost."

He added: "Throughout the last three decades, enforcement has been given top priority, followed by treatment and rehabilitation, with education and deterrence a distant third.

"In order to make a difference in the long term, education and deterrence have to go to the top of the pile. We have to have the courage and commitment to admit that we have not tackled the problem successfully in the past. We have to win the arguments and persuade young people that drugs are best avoided."

Wood said he "took his hat off" to the SCDEA and added that it was essential to carry on targeting dealers. He stressed he was not advocating the decriminalisation or legalisation of any drugs.

"It's about our priorities and our thinking," said Wood. "Clearly, at some stage, there could be resource implications, but the first thing we have to do is realise we can't win any battles by continuing to put enforcement first."

But Pearson, director of the SCDEA, said he "fundamentally disagreed" that the war on drugs was lost.

"I strongly disagree when he says that the war on drugs in Scotland is lost. The Scottish Executive Drug Action Plan acknowledged that tackling drug misuse is a complex problem, demanding many responses. It is explicit within the strategy that to effectively tackle drug misuse, the various pillars of the plan cannot operate in isolation."

Alistair Ramsay, former director of Scotland Against Drugs, said: "We must never lose sight of the fact that enforcement of drug law is a very powerful prevention for many people and, if anything, drug law should be made more robust.

"The current fixation with treatment and rehabilitation on behalf of the Executive has really got to stop."

And Scottish Conservative justice spokeswoman Margaret Mitchell said: "I accept Wood's sincerity, but this is a very dangerous message to go out. I would never say that we have lost the war on drugs. Things are dire, but we should never throw up the white flag."

But Wood's view was backed by David Liddell, director of the Scottish Drugs Forum, who said: "We have never used the term 'drugs war' and it's right to move away from that sort of approach. For every £1 spent on treatment, £9-£18 is saved, including in criminal justice. The balance has been skewed towards more punitive aspects."

And John Arthur, manager of the drugs advice organisation Crew 2000, said: "I think Tom Wood is right. This is something our organisation has been arguing for for a long time and it is good to see this is now coming into the mainstream."

Among the ideas now backed by Wood is less reliance on giving methadone as a substitute to heroin addicts.

He says other substitutes should be considered, as well as the possibility of prescribing heroin itself or abstinence programmes.

One new method being examined by experts is neuro-electric therapy, which sends electrical pulses through the brain. One addict with a five-year habit, Barry Philips, 24, from Kilmarnock, said the treatment enabled him to come off heroin in only five days.

Wood said: "We need to look at the other options. Other substitutes are used in other countries. They even prescribe heroin in Switzerland and there is a pilot in Germany, with pilots also mooted in England and, more recently, Scotland. We need to have a fully informed debate."

A Scottish Executive spokesman said: "We have a very clear policy on drugs, which is to balance the need to tackle supply and challenge demand. They have to go hand in hand and we make no apology for that."


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To: seasoned traditionalist
While this is a cop-out, I (like so many others) do not have an easy solution (such as lock them all up and throw away the key; or as in your case, "let's just execute them) but somehow, somewhere, there HAS GOT TO BE A BETTER WAY

You don't have to like my solution, but I still think it's the only alternative for winning the war on drugs. Nothing else has worked - including very long prison sentences for traffickers who, when they get out, have lost all of their possessions to the government; imposing laws that individuals convicted of any drug crime lose certain rights permanently and face fines, jail time, community service, loss of their drivers licenses and a myriad of other penalties.

I agree with Wood that the WOD is lost so we've got to either find a way to win it or just stop fighting it.

101 posted on 06/18/2006 12:16:01 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan,)
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To: tacticalogic

Whether or not I'm willing to kill a 14-year-old isn't the point. The point is that the WOD is a failure. My suggestion is that to win the war on drugs we must make possession a capital offense. Do with that what you want.


102 posted on 06/18/2006 12:18:13 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan,)
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To: SittinYonder
Whether or not I'm willing to kill a 14-year-old isn't the point. The point is that the WOD is a failure. My suggestion is that to win the war on drugs we must make possession a capital offense. Do with that what you want.

Fair enough.

103 posted on 06/18/2006 12:21:27 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: SittinYonder
I would argue that we are not fighting the good fight ... we are growing the government both in terms of size, cost and authority. And we are no winning. There must be another solution.



I have met guys who are engaged in the fight. And they are to be admired. They aren't simply "the gubmint," but guys risking their lives in an effort most people think is failing.

The other solutions might come from technology and science and diplomacy. New ways to detect drugs coming in, new treatments for addicts, and new ways of dealing with drug exporting countries. The thing with drugs, as far as I can see, is that it's not one of those problems that has a magic button you can push to make it go away. They probably won't ever go way. We just need to do the best we can.
104 posted on 06/18/2006 12:39:10 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: gandalftb

Good post.


105 posted on 06/18/2006 12:45:04 PM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: texasmountainman
"My ex-wife's quack doctor has her on an anti-depressant called Cymbalta."

OH YEAH!! My doctor had me try that for pain(for some reason), and it was unbearable. I didn't last a week on that 'medicine'.

106 posted on 06/18/2006 1:04:24 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: durasell
I have met guys who are engaged in the fight.

The sheriff in my county is my best friend. I am friends with many of his detectives and deputies. I know many of the people on the regional drug task force. I know FBI agents and DEA agents. None of them are bad people. They are just enforcing bad policy. And the honest ones will tell you that.

107 posted on 06/18/2006 1:07:09 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan,)
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To: SittinYonder

You held up Singapore as an example. Not only do they use draconian punishments, they do not have anything corresponding to the first, second, fourth or fifth amendments.


108 posted on 06/18/2006 1:11:35 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Joe Bfstplk
Why didn't Singapore lose its war on drugs?

Singapore is not a free society.

In a free society such as ours, you cannot prevent the people from doing what they want with their own lives.

109 posted on 06/18/2006 1:16:29 PM PDT by highball (Proud to announce the birth of little Highball, Junior - Feb. 7, 2006!)
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To: highball
Heroin in Singapore v The Netherlands:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1651454/posts?page=64#64

And in Islamic Iran:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1651454/posts?page=76#76

110 posted on 06/18/2006 1:32:00 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: SittinYonder
I have long said that the only way we will win the war on drugs is if we impose the death penalty for possession. Others have suggested it is unreasonable and harsh, and maybe it is, but you can't win a war without piling up some bodies.

Yeah, have fun with that. I have many friends who have smoked marijuana in the past. They are productive members of society now (most of them were even while they were smoking). Some of them even sold small quantities of the drug. Right now you drug warriors only have to face the cartels (many of whom wouldn't exist if marijuana was legalized). If you want to try Islamic tactics (execution for minor crimes) go ahead, but there are many gun owning freedom lovers like myself left who will fight back, hard. The bodies won't only pile up on one side.
111 posted on 06/18/2006 1:52:14 PM PDT by LonghornFreeper
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To: Joe Bfstplk
Why didn't Singapore lose its war on drugs?
Maybe because Singapore is a dictatorship, and the US and Scotland are not? We could probably get rid of all drug users also, if we threw away the Constitution and just went for it.
112 posted on 06/18/2006 1:53:48 PM PDT by LonghornFreeper
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To: SittinYonder

Well, I can't argue with you there. Maybe the law enforcement thing needs to be re-thought and guys on the frontlines better equipped. Maybe it's got to be some kind of comprehensive plan with law enforcement, medical, judges, etc.

But the thing is -- we can't give up on it and we can't panic. America has to be relentless in this thing.


113 posted on 06/18/2006 1:55:33 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: SittinYonder
Execute a few of those cute, upper-class college girls for possession and pretty soon the WOD is won.

Your knowledge of drugs probably comes from movies and government commercials, so you think that everyone who has ever used drugs is a weakling stoner who can't fight back, but I assure you that is not the case.

I have had several close female friends who have occasionally used drugs, while working and causing no harm to anyone (not really upper class, just middle class). What you don't seem to grasp is that if you tried to execute them, there are still some people left who believe in freedom, who would fight back. I would not hesitate to bring the fight to those who are trying to execute people who have done no harm to anyone. If you want to try murdering your fellow Americans because of your obsession, go ahead. You might even win, at the cost of living in a police state, but don't think that there will not be much blood shed on your side also, before it is over.
114 posted on 06/18/2006 2:00:54 PM PDT by LonghornFreeper
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To: durasell
How 'bout massive policy change by the The Fed

delegate enforcement of the pot laws to the states w/ suggestion to treat comparable to alcohol enforcement
Hard drugs - available by prescription...& very affordable.

115 posted on 06/18/2006 2:36:35 PM PDT by TheOracleAtLilac
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To: SittinYonder

No actually it's not a strawman and here is why.

You are assuming that the WoT must be carried to it's moral conclusion. That we value people being off drugs so much that we would be willing to kill a couple of rich little girls in order to make the point.

I am simply carrying your dicussion to it's logical conclusion. That all things that we consider immoral because be enforced with death.

Lying, adultry, divorce, homosexuality... all must be fought with killing people in order to make the point.


116 posted on 06/18/2006 2:37:33 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: SittinYonder

Ok forget adultry or divorce.

In order to stop robberies would you impose the death penalty as well?

Would you say that we have a war on theives?


117 posted on 06/18/2006 2:38:59 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: TheOracleAtLilac

I can't argue about pot. It's too large a swamp for me.

I wouldn't want to see hard drugs in circulation, even by prescription. However, there is promising research in addiction medications that blocks the desire for the drugs.


118 posted on 06/18/2006 2:45:11 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: durasell

Taking away the thrill/allure of "forbidden fruit" would go a long way to curb users - 'cept in da ghetto.


119 posted on 06/18/2006 2:54:15 PM PDT by TheOracleAtLilac
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To: TheOracleAtLilac

I don't know. You may very well be right. I would just hate to see that stuff become normalized in American society.


120 posted on 06/18/2006 3:00:39 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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