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To: Once-Ler
Those are some interesting figures and I appreciate you providing them in defense of your opinion. They would be a fantastic challenge against my assertions if I had made a claim that border security was strengthened under Bush. I did not.

My point was that while Clinton's interior enforcement numbers were pathetically low, President Bush's numbers are so bad that it made even Clinton look good. The point is that we aren't enforcing our immigration laws. The only thing "broken" or "outdated" about them is that they are not being enforced anymore.

I have not crossed the Mexican border but I know some people who have and they tell me passports were required. A valid passport was necessary for my family to go to Niagara Falls last year. They asked us questions and looked over the car before we were allowed to enter. If the Mexican government doesn't want the illegals back they can not enter through legal channels and would sent back likely be arrested on our side. Those with criminal records in the US would certainly be taking a chance returning to Mexico through legal channels.

You don't need a Passport to leave the U.S. Only to return.

I know of no instance where Mexico has refused to allow re-entry of an illegal alien. Name one.

Beside the fact that they are ALL criminals, those with a further criminal history should have more to worry about staying here then they should have being caught trying to return home. Why would we EVER want to be more welcoming to a criminal fugitive than their home country?

340 posted on 06/21/2006 12:37:29 PM PDT by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: Spiff
My point was that while Clinton's interior enforcement numbers were pathetically low, President Bush's numbers are so bad that it made even Clinton look good.

Hogwash. Deportations have stay relatively steady from 1977 to today at between 900 thousand to 1.2 million. In 1985 US deportations climbed slightly to 1,348,749. 1,767,400 in 1986 the year Reagan's amnesty IRCA was signed. But back down to 1,190,488 in 1987 and to 1,008,145 in Reagan's last year. Deportation increased during the second Clinton administration because of a NEW LAW...The Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996. The effect of IIRIRA was a larger number of immigrants were now considered legally deportable. Many who were already in the system were removed and now deportation levels have returned to historical norms. No new legislation has been passed to change the current law. That is the Congress's fault not Dubya's.

On September 5, 2001, Presidents Fox and Bush met in Washington to sign off on a framework for a bilateral migration accord. Dubya held three bi-national cabinet-level meetings and three presidential summits on immigration in his first year and a half as President. His positions have stayed true since his time as Governor of border state Texas. Yet some "Conservatives" claim betrayal and demand he give up his principles and capitulate to racists and fools. Fools dazzled by the Democrat National Media polls, and under the mistaken impression that they are a majority. They threaten to stay home every election and we keep on winning.

Rick Santorum just announced 500 chemical weapons found in Iraq. Boo-Ya! You can feel safe staying home next elections to keep your conservatism pure. We gonna kick butt again

If the border fringe really had influence they would have a leader who they didn't have to apologize for.

You don't need a Passport to leave the U.S. Only to return.

Perhaps you have never left the country. You are correct you do not need a passport to leave...you need a passport to enter another country...a natural result of leaving the USA. I needed a passport to enter Canada, England, Holland, and Germany.

I know of no instance where Mexico has refused to allow re-entry of an illegal alien. Name one.

Name an illegal alien who was apprehended while leaving the USA...Wow that's a good one. How about you name an illegal that successful returned to Mexico through a legal port, first. I know of no instance where Mexico has allowed re-entry of an illegal alien. I'm gonna need a little more proof than your word, Spiff.

341 posted on 06/21/2006 2:42:49 PM PDT by Once-Ler (The rat 06 election platform will be a promise to impeach the President if they win)
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