There is not "border security by itself" bill or anyone supporting such a thing. Our outdatd immigration laws would work if we actually had border security and actually enforced them. You don't know what you're talking about when you say that enhanced border security would somehow make it hard for the criminal invaders to leave. There is no one challenging them as they leave through appropriate, LEGAL crossing points. They can leave whenever they want and they don't have to trudge through miles of deadly desert to do it.
So trap them in the US and then try to remove them by force. That's a stupid solution. I addressed the problems of building a big fence in my last post. As far as enforcing our current laws...we are. Illegals are guaranteed a court hearing before deportation, and can't be held. The law says employers only have to show "good faith" in order to avoid charges of intentionally hiring illegals? You can't solve this problems by enforcing the current law...if we could it would have been done before. Did you see what happened last time the Government went after Tyson or Walmart? We got a boot in the ass. You are accusing every local state and federal law enforcer of dereliction of duty. It is laughable and sad.
Enhanced border security doesn't trap anyone in the U.S. That's a stupid argument. As I said, fences and more border patrol agents prevent people from entering at anywhere other than LEGAL, controlled crossing points. There is NOTHING stopping illegal aliens from exiting at those crossing points, avoiding the deadly trek through the desert, except for their own desire to violate U.S. laws and stay here.
As far as enforcing our current interior immigration laws, WE AREN'T:
(Stats from the DHS 2004 Yearbook of Immigration Statistics, Analysis is mine.)Employer Investigation Efforts of U.S. Immigration Authorities:
Fiscal Year Worksite Arrests Notices of Intent to Fine 1993 7,630 1,302 1994 7,554 1,063 1995 10,014 1,056 1996 14,164 1,019 1997 17,554 865 1998 13,914 1,023 1999 2,849 417 2000 953 178 2001 735 100 2002 485 53 2003 445 162 2004 159 3 The average annual worksite arrests under Clinton was 9,329 arrests. The average annual worksite arrests under President Bush is 456. This is a 95 percent reduction in average annual worksite arrests under President Bush.
The average annual notices of intent to fine employers of illegal aliens under Clinton was 865. The average under President Bush is 79.5. This is a 90 percent reduction in average annual notices of intent to fine employers of illegal aliens.
And then there is 2004 where, under President Bush, only 3 notices of intent to fine employers of illegal aliens were done. 3!! But that was President Bush's worst year. Let's compare best years then.
Under Clinton his best year for Worksite Arrests was 1997 with 17,554 reported. President Bush's best year was 2001 with 735 worksite arrests reported. This is a 99.7 percent reduction in worksite arrests under President Bush when comparing best years.
Clinton Presidency, Total Aliens Expelled:
1993 1,285,952
1994 1,074,781
1995 1,364,688
1996 1,643,108
1997 1,555,116
1998 1,743,273
1999 1,755,754
2000 1,861,933
Total over 8 years: 12,284,605
Average Annual Total Aliens Expelled: 1,535,575Bush Presidency, Total Aliens Expelled:
2001 1,432,061
2002 1,084,661
2003 1,076,483
2004 1,238,319
Total over 4 years: 4,831,524
Average Annual Total Aliens Expelled: 1,207,881The average annual total of aliens expelled under President Bush is 327,694 LESS than the average under President Clinton. That is a 21.3 percent reduction in aliens expelled compared between Clinton and President Bush.
Deportable Aliens located in non-border sectors (interior enforcement):
Clinton presidency, last four years:
1997 44,246
1998 39,096
1999 42,010
2000 32,759
Total: 158,111Bush presidency, first four years:
2001 30,496
2002 25,501
2003 26,492
2004 21,113
Total: 103,602Total deportable aliens located in interior sectors during the first four years of the Bush presidency represents a 34.4 percent drop compared to the previous four years - the last four years of the Clinton presidency.
Deportable Aliens Located:
Clinton Presidency first four years:
1993 1,327,261
1994 1,094,719
1995 1,394,554
1996 1,649,986
Total: 5,466,520Clinton Presidency last four years:
1997 1,536,520
1998 1,679,439
1999 1,714,035
2000 1,814,729
Total: 6,744,723Bush Presidency first four years:
2001 1,387,486
2002 1,062,279
2003 1,046,422
2004 1,241,089
Total: 4,737,276Total deportable aliens located dropped by 29.7 percent in the first four years of the Bush Presidency compared to the previous four years - the last four years of the Clinton Presidency.
The rest of your post is nearly incompressible rage and accusations. I shouldn't even respond to it. I am a pro-God, pro-life, pro-gun, pro-taxcut, and pro-conservative SCOTUS Republican. I worked for my state GOP for 10 years. I have donated to this forum. I love my country and want to make it better for my 3 children.
I too am a pro-God, pro-life, pro-gun, pro-taxcut, and pro-conservative SCOTUS Republican. I've served as a Republican Precinct Committeeman for 5 years, served as a State GOP Delegate, Served as President of a conservative Republican Club where I'm currently serving as Vice President, and I've worked on conservative Republican congressional campaigns for the past 6 years. I have donated to this forum. I love my country and want to make it better for my 4 children.
You and I are a lot alike. However, on this issue, I ally myself with the conservative Republicans. You ally yourself with the Democrats and liberal Republicans. I stand with the conservative Republicans members of the House who passed HR 4437. You don't. I stand with the conservative Republicans in the Senate who voted against the liberal Democrat amnesty plan. You don't. I stand with one of the most conservative Republican members of the House of Representatives, Rep. Tom Tancredo, who founded and chairs the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus who enjoys membership by one hundred of the most conservative Republicans in the House on this issue. You don't.
You say my allies are rats, but a quick perusal of my posts and yours show I support the GOP while you tear it down.
On this issue, your allies are the "rats". On this issue my allies are the conservative Republicans despite the liberal RNC's position. Maybe you should reconsider your position on this particular issue given where you stand on it compared to where you stand on other issues. Granting citizenship to millions of criminals (yes, every damned one of them is, by definition, a criminal) future Democrat voters is NOT a good thing for a conservative Republican to be supporting. The conservative Republicans in the House had the right idea to make it a felony to be here illegally as conviction would prevent these millions of Democrat voters from ever being able to vote. But if you want to coddle criminal aliens and their criminal employers, feel free. Just don't pretend that is the conservative Republican position on the issue.
Here is why internal enforcement has deteriorated. Yes, the law can be enforced, but will you like the result?
Consider a strategy tried in 1998, one that had all the makings of success. In Operation Vanguard, authorities focused on the meatpacking industry in Nebraska. After comparing records at every plant in the state against Social Security numbers, they notified the employers of about 4,700 suspect workers. The program worked so well that 3,500 workers disappeared.You don't know what you're talking about when you say that enhanced border security would somehow make it hard for the criminal invaders to leave. There is no one challenging them as they leave through appropriate, LEGAL crossing points.The long-range plan was to repeat the experiment industry by industry and state by state. This, immigration authorities logically concluded, would persuade employers that it's more economical to hire legal workers. With jobs drying up, illegal immigration would slow. All of this would be done without disruptive raids or wholesale deportations, such as those voted by the House of Representatives in January. But the plan worked too well.
Unions, immigration advocates, the industry and Nebraska's politicians stampeded to protest. Plants couldn't find workers. Livestock demand dropped. Nebraska's economy was disrupted, and immigrant families were torn apart. In a year, Vanguard was gone.
I have not crossed the Mexican border but I know some people who have and they tell me passports were required. A valid passport was necessary for my family to go to Niagara Falls last year. They asked us questions and looked over the car before we were allowed to enter.
If the Mexican government doesn't want the illegals back they can not enter through legal channels and would sent back likely be arrested on our side. Those with criminal records in the US would certainly be taking a chance returning to Mexico through legal channels.
>>>Granting citizenship to millions of criminals (yes, every damned one of them is, by definition, a criminal) future Democrat voters is NOT a good thing for a conservative Republican to be supporting.>>>>>
The meat of the issue bump!