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Students, researchers debate the ''acting white'' stigma for blacks
The Virginian Pilot ^ | 6/17/06 | Philip Walzer

Posted on 06/17/2006 11:38:57 AM PDT by wagglebee

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To: Riverman94610

I work from time to time in Boston's great medical-educational complex, the center of which is on the edge of a black neighborhood. At work I have seen young adults who have pulled themselves up and moved out of the ghetto, and others who still live there and find themselves in a sort of bi-cultural bind--they "act white" at their jobs in the hospital, the jobs that are their keys out of Roxbury. But it is to Roxbury that they return at night, and they face the resentment of those who either haven't yet figured out a way to leave, or those who through weakness or pride or hatred would prefer to stay put.

When the cities were burning in the 60s, blacks and whites couldn't talk about this stuff. Now we can and do, and whenever there's anything that can be said to offer these kids encouragement and support, it is my observation that the conversation goes both ways, and no one resents any of it.

I suspect that the "multi-cultural" crowd prefers poverty to hope, so that they can keep their constituents in line.


41 posted on 06/17/2006 12:50:25 PM PDT by cloud8
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To: Biblebelter

I'm doing my part to attach a stigma to white kids acting black. It breaks my heart to see white people acting like ghetto trash...


42 posted on 06/17/2006 12:50:43 PM PDT by chadwimc
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To: popdonnelly

You do get peer group pressures...some of it's based on kids sorting themselves out into groups on their own. Kids who've had problems in school tend to develop aversions to learning...they can be acted out in various ways, but kids who do poorly tend to hang together and reinforce each other's aversion, just like high performance students tend to reinforce the idea that it's just natural to do well.

If you asked me if I could make up a plan for an ideal world for adolescents, it would be to send them to work in apprenticeship/service work situations during the ages of 14-17, and only let them come back to school early if they tested well as being able to do well in an academic environment. And then when they reach college age, send them back to complete their education. What they need is more real-world interaction with adults and less crowding together in peer groups where they develop these "youth cultures" that doom a lot of them to unhappy years ahead.

Of course, that won't happen. But our ancestors had wisdom when they used to put their teens out to service (being servants or apprentices or squires or what have you). High school is bad for many people's mental health.

But then I'm a historical radical, I guess. Or is that ultra-conservative, since I would go back to something based on the 18th century model?


43 posted on 06/17/2006 12:51:01 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: wagglebee

It is part and parcel of the entire inner-city culture of defeatism and victimhood.

It's like watching a barrel of crabs. One will try to climb out of the barrel and three will reach up and pull him back into the barrel.


44 posted on 06/17/2006 12:51:57 PM PDT by Buckeye Battle Cry (Life is too short to go through it clenched of sphincter and void of humor - it's okay to laugh.)
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To: socialismisinsidious
There is a difference between being called a snob, geek, or bookworm, and being called a whole race of people. If they referred to you as acting "Asian" that would be comparable. But the only reason they would use the "Asian" label is if they thought that being considered Asian was the worst thing they could call you. Whether or not you took offense at that it would be still be offensive to all Asians.
45 posted on 06/17/2006 12:53:13 PM PDT by Gumption
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To: SampleMan

I should have read through your post before I commented. I made the same barrel of crabs assessment that you did.

Great minds think alike.


46 posted on 06/17/2006 12:53:44 PM PDT by Buckeye Battle Cry (Life is too short to go through it clenched of sphincter and void of humor - it's okay to laugh.)
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To: Trueblackman

A penny for your thoughts on this?


47 posted on 06/17/2006 12:56:44 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: wagglebee
“For some people, it puts the problem back on the students themselves.”

What’s wrong with that?
48 posted on 06/17/2006 12:58:32 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: wagglebee

What does acting black look like?


49 posted on 06/17/2006 1:02:07 PM PDT by don-o
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To: chadwimc

What is interesting is the "thug life" culture is hurting blacks in many sports. If you want to make NBA these days maybe you better act Virgin Islander, Canadian, Argentinian, French, Slavic or German as African Americans are no longer dominating the sport as they once did. If you want to make the Major Leagues, maybe you want to act Hispanic, African Americans in the majors are down significantly. The best African American non pitching prospect in the minors was recently suspended for hitting an umpire with a bat obviously if he had been a congresswoman he would have gotten a free pass.


50 posted on 06/17/2006 1:03:35 PM PDT by Biblebelter
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51 posted on 06/17/2006 1:13:21 PM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry
Great minds think alike.

Either that or you're both hungry for seafood. :)
52 posted on 06/17/2006 1:18:24 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: GBA

Don't forget that it is OK to be stupid as long as you feel good about your self.


53 posted on 06/17/2006 1:23:45 PM PDT by SICSEMPERTYRANNUS
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry; SampleMan
It's like watching a barrel of crabs. One will try to climb out of the barrel and three will reach up and pull him back into the barrel.

Beware if one does escape. He'll breed a whole new species of crabs that won't stay in the bucket!
54 posted on 06/17/2006 1:25:25 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
Beware if one does escape. He'll breed a whole new species of crabs that won't stay in the bucket!

I believe that would be a good thing.

55 posted on 06/17/2006 1:40:21 PM PDT by SampleMan
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To: wagglebee
“Courtney acts white.” “Courtney talks white.” “Courtney thinks she’s all that.”

Courtney has a doctorate in physics, makes a moderate six figure income, drives a Bentley sports convertible, and can order in perfect English from her black friends when she stops by McDonald's.

56 posted on 06/17/2006 1:47:06 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Striving to obtain liberal victim status.)
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To: Navy Patriot

You forgot owns a home, has money in the bank, has never been arrested and has two children by the same father who she is married to and has been since before her children were conceived.


57 posted on 06/17/2006 1:49:55 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: CAWats

"School boy"

"School girl"

I guess these are the same as "acting white."

:-( There's something inherently and deeply sad that SUCCESS is thought of as "acting white."


58 posted on 06/17/2006 1:52:58 PM PDT by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: wagglebee

Yep, and the children are in PRIVATE school.


59 posted on 06/17/2006 1:54:28 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Striving to obtain liberal victim status.)
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To: bannie
...and then there's "code switching."

I guess survival rates high on Maslow's Hierarchy...
60 posted on 06/17/2006 1:56:14 PM PDT by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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