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To: Fred Nerks

"Islam=Permission to kill. Infidels, hyprocrites, any other sect; just ask the clerics, they can can always find a relevant 'verse' in the koran or precedent amongst the numerous volumes of ahadith."

Depends which clerics you ask, and if you hold enough power over him to have him find whatever it is you are looking for, isn't it ?

Again you seem to have confused the Koran and the Haddith - and you know better Fred.


29 posted on 06/18/2006 5:06:29 PM PDT by RS ("I took the drugs because I liked them and I found excuses to take them, so I'm not weaseling.")
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To: RS

"Again you seem to have confused the Koran and the Haddith - and you know better Fred."

Translation of Sahih Bukhari
Translator: M. Muhsin Khan




Please read our introduction to this collection (listed below by book number). You may also search for a particular hadith.





Revelation
Belief
Knowledge
Ablutions (Wudu')
Bathing (Ghusl)
Menstrual Periods
Rubbing hands and feet with dust (Tayammum)
Prayers (Salat)
Virtues of the Prayer Hall (Sutra of the Musalla)
Times of the Prayers
Call to Prayers (Adhaan)
Characteristics of Prayer
Friday Prayer
Fear Prayer
The Two Festivals (Eids)
Witr Prayer
Invoking Allah for Rain (Istisqaa)
Eclipses
Prostration During Recital of Qur'an
Shortening the Prayers (At-Taqseer)
Prayer at Night (Tahajjud)
Actions while Praying
Funerals (Al-Janaa'iz)
Obligatory Charity Tax (Zakat)
Obligatory Charity Tax After Ramadaan (Zakat ul Fitr)
Pilgrimmage (Hajj)
Minor Pilgrammage (Umra)
Pilgrims Prevented from Completing the Pilgrimmage
Penalty of Hunting while on Pilgrimmage
Virtues of Madinah
Fasting
Praying at Night in Ramadaan (Taraweeh)
Retiring to a Mosque for Remembrance of Allah (I'tikaf)
Sales and Trade
Sales in which a Price is paid for Goods to be Delivered Later (As-Salam)
Hiring
Transferance of a Debt from One Person to Another (Al-Hawaala)
Representation, Authorization, Business by Proxy
Agriculture
Distribution of Water
Loans, Payment of Loans, Freezing of Property, Bankruptcy
Lost Things Picked up by Someone (Luqaata)
Oppressions
Partnership
Mortgaging
Manumission of Slaves
Gifts
Witnesses
Peacemaking
Conditions
Wills and Testaments (Wasaayaa)
Fighting for the Cause of Allah (Jihaad)
One-fifth of Booty to the Cause of Allah (Khumus)
Beginning of Creation
Prophets
Virtues and Merits of the Prophet (pbuh) and his Companions
Companions of the Prophet
Merits of the Helpers in Madinah (Ansaar)
Military Expeditions led by the Prophet (pbuh) (Al-Maghaazi)
Prophetic Commentary on the Qur'an (Tafseer of the Prophet (pbuh))
Virtues of the Qur'an
Wedlock, Marriage (Nikaah)
Divorce
Supporting the Family
Food, Meals
Sacrifice on Occasion of Birth (`Aqiqa)
Hunting, Slaughtering
Al-Adha Festival Sacrifice (Adaahi)
Drinks
Patients
Medicine
Dress
Good Manners and Form (Al-Adab)
Asking Permission
Invocations
To make the Heart Tender (Ar-Riqaq)
Divine Will (Al-Qadar)
Oaths and Vows
Expiation for Unfulfilled Oaths
Laws of Inheritance (Al-Faraa'id)
Limits and Punishments set by Allah (Hudood)
Punishment of Disbelievers at War with Allah and His Apostle
Blood Money (Ad-Diyat)
Dealing with Apostates
Saying Something under Compulsion (Ikraah)
Tricks
Interpretation of Dreams
Afflictions and the End of the World
Judgments (Ahkaam)
Wishes
Accepting Information Given by a Truthful Person
Holding Fast to the Qur'an and Sunnah
ONENESS, UNIQUENESS OF ALLAH (TAWHEED)

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/

I'm inlcined to believe an islamic cleric could find ANY precedent he wanted amongst this lot, and that's just a small sample.

What is your objection to the hadith? Are they, in your opinion...part of islamic belief, or not? And if not, why not? I understand (I think) that different sects argue about the validity of certain hadith...but...reject them totally, they do not.


32 posted on 06/18/2006 5:43:50 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Read the bio THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free! Click Fred Nerks for link to my Page.)
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To: RS

"Depends which clerics you ask, and if you hold enough power over him to have him find whatever it is you are looking for, isn't it ?"

That's a doozy! Are you trying to tell me that clerics (and I include them all, of any religious persuasion,) represent the will of the people? As if they are their representatives? LOL!

Theocracy isn't Democratic. Clerics exist to ENFORCE!




34 posted on 06/18/2006 5:54:41 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Read the bio THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free! Click Fred Nerks for link to my Page.)
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