Teacher Salaries: More Attention Needed to Specifics ( The Millionaire Next Door)

EducationNews.org ^ | June 16, 2006 | David W. Kirkpatrick

[wintertime]

Anyone with a logical braid could teach more in 1/2 / day than they do in a month! Their biggest drawback is that they care NOTHING about anything but their salaries!

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These comments are baseless and silly hyperventilation.
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Clara Lou,

Are you a professional teacher? If so, you should KNOW that homeschoolers do this routinely.

[wintertime]

No she didn't! MsEdie went into teaching for the reasons most don't - she realizes it's a CALLING, not a profession - money is not the reason she is there.

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Then submit this name for the Mother Teresa Award.

[PghBaldy]

I live in Pittsburgh. I know two people who make 3x what I do. They are teachers in the City of Pittsburgh. I make what I consider to be a good living, and still save 25%-40% of my income. I spend 25% of my income on entertainment (eating out, cigarettes, books). Now, the cost of living here is inexpensive. Homes can be bought for $50,000 - $100,000, in safe city neighborhoods. I think these two friends of mine are overpaid. I rent. They both own their homes. Both have brand new cars. I ride the bus. Both have new clothes. I wear clothes until they disintegrate... A study was done comparing cost of living and teachers' salaries. Pittsburgh was either the highest paid, or nearly so, in the country. Teachers, at least here, are drastically overpaid.

[wintertime]

After all, the government is confiscating my earned money against my will. I don't think I'm getting value for my money out of the public education system so I don't want to keep giving more money to it.

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If you seriously object, an armed sheriff will sell you home and/or business at auction. ( Real bullets in those guns on the hip)

And,,,,It is more than just not getting good performance. Government schools WILL establish the worldview of some ( with religious content and consequences) while undermining the most cherished family traditions of others ( with religious consequences)

What an abomination!

[wintertime]

I know every time I talk to a teacher I get the feeling that I am talking to a wall. They remain clueless outside of their little club. The profession is filled with some of the dumbest of the dumb. Amen.


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Amen, Bro!

[wintertime]

I only work 39 weeks a year, but those are 60 hour work weeks.

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More whining!

Molly,,hate to break it to you but there are THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of workers working 60 hour weeks with NO vacation. Guess what! Some are on 24/7 call, wear beepers on their belts to respond to life threatening emergencies.

[alvindsv]

Wintertime said:

Dr. Morton

Attorneys, although holding a doctorate, chose to be addressed by the title of Mister.

Doctor? Your professional attorneys would consider this an affectation.

Actually my fellow attorney would not consider this an affectation, at least not among attorneys in Oklahoma. For you see, Oklahoma is one of the few states that confers the title Dr. upon any attorney teaching in an educational setting. If this upsets you so much, your beef lies with the Oklahoma Legislature who enacted the law conferring such title designation. Out of curiosity do you suffer from degree envy or something?

[wintertime]

Tell you what. Go teach then.


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Wow! What an inflated opinion of yourself!

Has it occurred to you that there are THOUSANDS of non-teachers who spend their days teaching? They are found in all areas of business and in the health professions. Their teaching is just as vital to the well=being of children and adults as yours.

I did "go teach". I homeschooled 3 children until college. Do you know when they enrolled in college? At the ages of 13, 12, and 13. Two graduated at the ages of 18 with B.S. degrees in mathematics. The older of these earned a masters in math at the age of 20.

All finished all general college requirements by the age of 15 and all levels of calculus to Calc III.

The oldest is a national ranked athlete with a heavy travel and training schedule. He majored in business. He also spent 2 years in Eastern Europe on a church assignment and returned home completely FLUENT in Russian. Despite this eclectic experience he will finish his degree at the same age as his schooled contemporaries.

Besides that, now that I am in the workforce, my entire day is spent teaching, both employees and patients.

[wintertime]

You are also correct that when districts spend money on apparent frills (such as your building with mosaics) it should not be surprising that many taxpayers get upset only because they are so visible to people driving by a school.

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Drive by any government high school and you will find that it is the MOST expensive, largest, most beautifully maintained and manicured building and grounds in the entire community. There are very few exceptions to this observation. In most cases there is nothing even comparable.

[wintertime]

What conclusions ought I derive from this?


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They are envious Marxists.

[billbears]

I did "go teach". I homeschooled 3 children until college. Do you know when they enrolled in college? At the ages of 13, 12, and 13. Two graduated at the ages of 18 with B.S. degrees in mathematics. The older of these earned a masters in math at the age of 20.

Hold on a sec, let me check. No I don't care...It's great that you 'taught'. 3 whole children even. Do you want a cookie for it? My point was to the poster who made the ridiculous claim that most teachers are 'overpaid'. And my point (proven by the NC pay schedule) is that they're not. It has nothing to do with homeschooling success stories.

All finished all general college requirements by the age of 15 and all levels of calculus to Calc III. The oldest is a national ranked athlete with a heavy travel and training schedule. He majored in business. He also spent 2 years in Eastern Europe on a church assignment and returned home completely FLUENT in Russian. Despite this eclectic experience he will finish his degree at the same age as his schooled contemporaries.

Well whoopity do. Shall I post my successes? Wait nevermind, I'm not trying to impress people..You're touting the career of a homeschooled student (which has nothing to do with the discussion) and not addressing the concern that in some states, still, teachers are not paid what someone would make if they worked in 95% of all other possible jobs for 30 years.

Besides that, now that I am in the workforce, my entire day is spent teaching, both employees and patients.

Awwww, how sweet. It's called teaching a skill to another employee. We do it everyday. And you know what? We receive praise for it. We are compensated for it, and yes we even receive promotions for it. And at the end of our careers, our salaries, compensation, and 401ks show it. And many teachers don't have that.

[billbears]

And before you go on with your ridiculous argument's next step, I don't agree with public sponsored schools in any way. They should all be privatized. However under the 'excellent' leadership of Republicans, billions more have been thrown at the problem, bureaucratic redtape at levels never seen have been introduced, and intelligent children are held back while those of lower intelligence are pushed to catch up. But that doesn't change the fact, many teachers aren't paid what they're worth. Even in a private system, teachers should be paid accordingly for their job

[Amelia]

wintertime, your bitter carping and juvenile insults would be funny if they weren't so pathetic. It must be horrible to have such a nasty, hateful attitude.

[wintertime]

You sound a little jealous. Failed to get into the College of Education, huh?

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Gator Girl,

Teaching majors have the lowest SAT scores on campus. Their low standardized exam scores continue on the graduate level in the GRE, LSAT, and MCAT.

[HighWheeler]

Yes I got your joke and I made a commensurate joke.

[wintertime]

My cousin who taught Special Ed in Queens, NY, took early retirement the day after two students were shot dead outside her classroom door!


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Is this the wonderful "socialization" that homeschoolers are missing?

By the way, sister-in-law was pushed down the steps by two of her 6th graders.

[wintertime]

At recess, a little boy was running after a little girl, wagging his exposed tiny willy at her, and yelling "Git down, 'ho!"
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Again,,,,Is this the wonderful "socialization" and "real world" experience that homeschoolers are missing?

[maine-iac7]

;o)

[durasell]

At recess, a little boy was running after a little girl, wagging his exposed tiny willy at her, and yelling "Git down, 'ho!"
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Again,,,,Is this the wonderful "socialization" and "real world" experience that homeschoolers are missing?








Actually, the homes these kids come from are usually worse.

[LowOiL]

So....you failed at private practice.

Having read many of your posts, you have some good points on the subject, but unfortunately for the rest of us, you also make some rude unfounded ones.

You definitely need to remember that educated people can debate issues without very rude mannerisms. Case and example: when the lady made the comparison of day care pay vs. school job... You made a great retort to her comparison.. but then you had to get personal and rude with your no knowledge of business expenses. We are for the most part intelligent people reading these post. We don't need you coaching us on how you disdain other posters for daring not eating up your every word in agreement.

IOW.. you are a great debater, but lose arguement points in many people's eyes because of your lack of class. As far as I can tell, Alvindsv seems to be an outstanding asset to FR we may not see 100% eye to eye on every subject, but she is willing to debate subjects in a manner worthy of reading her posts. Cut the crass, and yours will be in the same boat.