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3 escape murder charges in carjacking death of toddler (Update)
Houston Chronicle ^ | June 17, 2006, 1:12AM | ARMANDO VILLAFRANCA

Posted on 06/17/2006 4:14:34 AM PDT by cbkaty

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To: MeekOneGOP

Ping for action. Y'all hound your US Attorney to take this out of the hands of lilly-livered local prosecutors. They'll go after DeLay with both barrels a blazin' but when it comes down to getting real scumbags off the street, they come up way short.


41 posted on 06/17/2006 5:51:44 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("So to hell with that twerp at the [WaPo]. I've got no time for him on a day like this." Mark Steyn)
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To: sport

No pics of the perps because they are investigating other crimes and don't want their faces out in the public because they are going to have them in line ups in the next few days.


42 posted on 06/17/2006 6:07:35 AM PDT by antivenom (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much damn space!)
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To: jk4hc4
I would imagine that they are minorities and therefore discrimination would be used by the MSM.

Yes..they are.... The likely senario; no father, poor, black, no education, on welfare, drugs, no job....all the "Man's" fault...

43 posted on 06/17/2006 6:08:44 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: sport
Any pics of the perps? I couldn't find any is why I asked

Strange....right? Not so strange for the Houston Comical.....they protect those that represent "If it bleads...it leads".....

44 posted on 06/17/2006 6:11:29 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: cbkaty

BLEEDS


45 posted on 06/17/2006 6:11:52 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: cbkaty
Did we used to have a law here that said something about a "death during the commission of a robbery"?
46 posted on 06/17/2006 6:18:16 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Ditter
See post 12.....That's the only explanation I can think of....at the moment.

Can anyone imagine the Father's reaction to these charges?

47 posted on 06/17/2006 6:24:37 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: Constitutional Patriot
Somewhere, there is a lawyer who will defend and advocate for these knowingly guilty parties. He or she will do it exclusively for fame and money, cowardly protected by the guise of their own sick melodrama displayed to the public.

Don't fall for it. They are as guilty as the perpetrators; aiding and abetting for romantic notions of justice is still aiding and abetting in its purest sense.

48 posted on 06/17/2006 6:28:16 AM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: cbkaty
"made arrangements to bury their daughter in Mexico"

Why in Mexico? Just curious.

49 posted on 06/17/2006 6:29:02 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: cbkaty
made arrangements to bury their daughter in Mexico

Maybe this is a key to understanding the weak charges. Perhaps the family were illegal aliens, and harder charges would lead to a higher profile case, and the family would be deported? Convoluted logic on my part, I admit, but maybe it provides a bit of explanation?

50 posted on 06/17/2006 6:29:56 AM PDT by Theo
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To: cbkaty

Was it a typical lib apology, something like, "I'm sorry I offended anybody when I stomped this little ho to dearh."


51 posted on 06/17/2006 6:30:22 AM PDT by Dionysius
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To: Theo
Maybe this is a key to understanding the weak charges. Perhaps the family were illegal aliens, and harder charges would lead to a higher profile case, and the family would be deported? Convoluted logic on my part, I admit, but maybe it provides a bit of explanation?

I must admit that I wondered why an entire family would stop to use a pay phone in "that" area of Houston and "that" time of night....

Regardless of the ignorance of the victims and of crime in the area, the perps must fry.

52 posted on 06/17/2006 6:33:39 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: Ditter
Did we used to have a law here that said something about a "death during the commission of a robbery"?

You still do: ...[emphasis added]

§ 19.02. MURDER[0].
(b) A person commits an offense if he: (1) intentionally or knowingly causes the death of an individual; (2) intends to cause serious bodily injury and commits an act clearly dangerous to human life that causes the death of an individual; or (3) commits or attempts to commit a felony[0], other than manslaughter, and in the course of and in furtherance of the commission or attempt, or in immediate flight from the commission or attempt, he commits or attempts to commit an act clearly dangerous to human life that causes the death of an individual. (c) Except as provided by Subsection (d), an offense under this section is a felony[0] of the first degree. (d) At the punishment stage of a trial, the defendant may raise the issue as to whether he caused the death under the immediate influence of sudden passion arising from an adequate cause. If the defendant proves the issue in the affirmative by a preponderance of the evidence, the offense is a felony[0] of the second degree.

And the sentencing statute for a first degree felony:

§ 12.32. FIRST DEGREE FELONY PUNISHMENT.
(a) An individual adjudged guilty of a felony of the first degree shall be punished by imprisonment in the institutional division for life or for any term of not more than 99 years or less than 5 years.
(b) In addition to imprisonment, an individual adjudged guilty of a felony of the first degree may be punished by a fine not to exceed $10,000.
Now, IANL, but this sure seems simple to me.
53 posted on 06/17/2006 6:45:43 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("So to hell with that twerp at the [WaPo]. I've got no time for him on a day like this." Mark Steyn)
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To: cbkaty
There's something seriously wrong here. Most civilized nations (e.g. Virginia) hold that when you commit a crime you've shown your intent to kill, so if someone dies during the commission of the crime, or as a consequence of that crime, you are subject to the very heaviest penalties possible for murder, to wit, EXECUTION!

They put down everybody here including drivers of getaway vehicles.

No wonder Texas is not at the top of the list when it comes to the rate at which the death penalty is applied!

54 posted on 06/17/2006 6:55:06 AM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: NonValueAdded
Folks keep forgetting that when a gun is introduced into a situation, e.g. when the authorities come to "take you away", the intent to kill or injur is clear ~ else why bring the gun.

Certainly our criminal classes should be held to the same standards as the cops eh?!

55 posted on 06/17/2006 7:01:54 AM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: NonValueAdded
The Federal statute requires the carjacking to perpetrated for the purpose of committing the murder - the murder can't just be incidental to the murder
56 posted on 06/17/2006 7:03:42 AM PDT by jpp113
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To: jpp113
oops - the murder can't be incidental to carjacking
57 posted on 06/17/2006 7:06:27 AM PDT by jpp113
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To: jpp113

Disagree ... death OR serious bodily harm and "if death occurs" is only one of three conditions. At a minimum, the sentence is 15 years, and a case could be made for the death penalty. It should be sufficient to get a plea well in excess of the 10 years (out in how many?).


58 posted on 06/17/2006 7:08:24 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("So to hell with that twerp at the [WaPo]. I've got no time for him on a day like this." Mark Steyn)
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To: cbkaty
Oh yeah, I understand. The guys were holding up a family at gunpoint, throwing kids out of a car at gunpoint, stealing a car at gunpoint, but were not trying to harm or kill anyone to help them get what they wanted. They had all sorts of warm, fuzzy thoughts towards this family they were terrorizing...

I also know of a case in Ohio (the kids was a recruit for WVU football, thankfully it fell through because of this) who talked a friend into robbing someone with a fake gun. Well the homeowner thought it was a real gun, and killed the kid. Since the recruit was there and someone died, he was charged with capital murder I think because the death happened in the commission of a felony. Why not have that in this case?

CLEVELAND - An 18-year-old recognized as the top prep football player in the state pleaded guilty Tuesday for his role in the shooting death of a teammate. Raymond Williams faces three to 20 years in prison at his sentencing Nov. 16 on involuntary manslaughter and aggravated robbery charges. Williams, a running back at Benedictine High School, was named the 17th annual winner of The Ohio Associated Press Mr. Football award last November. Police said Williams, Jon Huddleston and Lorenzo Hunter, all members of the school's state-champion football team, allegedly tried to use a toy gun April 16 to rob Rodney Roberts, who pulled a gun and began shooting. Hunter, 16, died of gunshot wounds to the chest, arm and hip.

59 posted on 06/17/2006 7:08:48 AM PDT by WV Mountain Mama (Sadly, doing the right thing means leaving one's comfort zone, which people all too often don't do.)
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To: cbkaty

Felony Murder Rule anyone?


60 posted on 06/17/2006 7:11:12 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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