Am at the college and I can't link to . . . wait . . . It' son Jocko's thread . . .
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I think Steve, below, says many good exhortive things. I don't think he solves the problem or challenges of earnest, genuine Christian brothers and sisters doing their best to hear correctly; thinking they do; and then something seemingly contrary happens.
I have no doubt that this fellow is NOT a false prophet. And, Steve knows him and seems to assert the same thing. I don't have much patience for all those sooooooooo eager to throw the first stone when they haven't had a truly prophetic experience in their lives. And they certainly haven't typically demonstrated a flawless record of hearing and obeying the still small voice of The Lord. Yet they are quite eager and 'at-the-ready' with 6 buckets of stones. Their arguments and sternness and supposedly more lofty [self-]righteousness don't impress me.
So, for me, I'll continue to pay most attention to the top 2-5% of the genuine Christian prophetic sources out of many seemingly good available and wait and see what and how and how long it takes God to confirm whatevere it is He's going to confirm; to mature whichever prophetically gifted folks He's going to mature etc.
It is important to hear right and speak right.
I don't have a lot of answers. I know God is real. I know prophecy is for our era. I know many earnest, decent, honorable, true children of God with prophetic giftings and offices. I don't know anyone who's flawless. Neither do I know anyone who's had 40 years on the back side of the desert being purified exclusively.
I know God has declared He is going to have a tried people. I know He's determined to work humility and Love into His Body as well as true, Spirit-born unity. How we get there from here has to be another one of His pending miracles.
Thanks for asking. Here's the post from:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1651112/posts?page=30#30
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To all: When I got home from work today, someone had forwarded an email to me put out by Steve Shultz, via THE ELIJAH LIST [ www.elijahlist.com ] refuting the subject of this thread, the Willamette Vally Warning. Excerpted below, it is helpful for those of us attempting to in good faith sort through dreams, visions, and prophecies.
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The summary of the two dreams circulating were this: This Messianic Christian (who I consider to be a brother in the Lord), received a dream in which on a given day, an evil parade was held in Portland, Oregon. Then he saw buildings collapse, the dam break, and a tsunami hit, which destroyed most of the Willamette Valley. He concluded that since the parade was evil, and the parade was on the 18th of June this year (though that date was not in the dream), this must be the date of inevitable destruction of most of Portland, and continuing down into the Salem area, etc. He further concluded that since he keeps the entire Torah including the Torah Sabbath, then those reading his word should do two things:
a) Be prepared with a full tank of gas in their car on the 18th of June.
b) Be sure they were attending a Torah-keeping Church.
There was no call to pray against the earthquake or catastrophe. No call to pray for repentance.
But there was an "assumption" or one might say, a "inference" that since he kept Torah, so should everyone else. So again, he says all the readers should: 1) keep Torah and 2) have a full tank of gas in their car on June 18th.
Please note that the dream or revelation never said there would be an earthquake on June 18th (though later he got a word that meant "18" in a second dream). And there was certainly no call IN THE DREAM to begin to keep more laws from the Old Covenant--specifically the entire Torah in order to be safe--though that suggestion was implied in the revelation as it was written.
As a result, we are getting many inquiries about this word. It's circulating all over the Willamette Valley where we are located.
Meanwhile....
I have friends who are ministering every week, under the bridges of Portland, to people caught in this same sin this man saw in the dream. They are putting "feet" to the Gospel, and seeing salvations. Rather than fearing that God is about to wipe out Portland, these friends are doing something about the sins seen there, and those caught in this sin. And they are praying for the safety of this area.
The entire Northwest and the West Coast is admittedly overdue for an over-the-top earthquake, volcanic eruptions, and tsunami's galore. Who would or could deny this?
But What Should You Do?
Will you repent and stand in the gap instead? Will you call out to God for mercy?
Many interpret a dream as a "done deal" when all God is wanting to do, is to say something like this, "Unless you repent, the day is coming....the time when one day, sudden destruction is possible because of this sin in this area. So I'm looking for a man or woman, or a Church, a city, or a people to stand in the gap so that judgment of destruction will not be required." (This is not a Scripture but a paraphrased idea of what God is saying through many prophetic revelations that He is giving to many people in many denominations.)
As the Church, we should not have the mentality that IF every doctrine is 100% accurate, and the car is full of gas, then we are in pretty good shape.
Of course, there is nothing wrong with some preparation in case a disaster ever happens to our area. Preparation is good. Fear is not. And yet, the thought process that suggests that, "Since I hold a better set of doctrines than the next person, I will be safer" --this is simply not Biblical. Sometimes, those with the best Theology and the Holiest of lives, suffer the most persecution and are attacked by the enemy.
Rather, we should always pray and always be "repented- up," and we should understand the Blood of Jesus, be ministering to all those around us, standing in the gap in prayer, and yes, living Holy lives.
A Very Common Set of Missteps in the Prophetic
With what has been circulating in the last week or so, all three of the above guidelines are being accidentally (and innocently I'm sure) forgotten.
These are good guidelines for which prophetic words to listen to and obey:
1) It is not normally only one person who will be given a judgment word by the Lord for a region. Rather, God would normally give it to many prophets and prophetic people from various denominations in the region--and many prophetic people will agree on the word.
2) A Call to pray and repent should always be urged to stop the judgment. Otherwise, we might as well be as Jonah was found to be--simply expecting a wicked city to be destroyed while he remained safe.
3) Biblically, you are not more protected because every law or doctrine is kept, or because you hold a more accurate set of doctrines, or even if you keep a certain day more holy than another person keeps it. Instead, most often (but not always) protection comes for those who live Holy Lives and who trust God, according to Psalm 91.
Psalm 91:1-3
"He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High
will rest in the shadow of the Almighty. I will say of the LORD, 'He is my refuge and my fortress, my God, in whom I trust.' Surely He will save you from the fowler's snare and from the deadly pestilence." NIV
Steve Shultz
THE ELIJAH LIST
www.elijahlist.com
Thanks Quix.