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Analysis: France's attitude to terror
Times online ^ | 6/14/06 | Charles Bremer

Posted on 06/14/2006 10:34:13 PM PDT by Pro-Bush

Analysis: France's attitude to terror

London may be convulsed by controversy over police clampdowns on terror suspects, but Charles Bremner, The Times's Paris correspondent, says that the French police take a tougher line without the same public soul-searching

"There is a big difference between the French and British policy and approach to terrorism. The DST, the equivalent to MI5 as well as the police intelligence, keep a very close watch on the housing estates where the majority of the Muslim population live.

"Until last summer the French were very unhappy with what they saw was incompetence by the British. The French thought the British were far too lax towards radical Muslim activities on their territory. Sheikh Abu Hamza al-Masri was followed by the French investigation service without telling the British because they were so worried by his activities.

"The shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes and the apology by police to the brothers wrongly arrested in a raid on their home in East London, in which one of them was shot, will only serve to reinforce the dim view of the British police that the French authorities have.

"Among the French public there is not the same level of popular concern over terrorism in France as there is in Britain. House raids happen very often and do not get the same media coverage that is heaped on them in the UK.

"The case today of 25 Islamic terrorists who have been jailed for planning to attack Paris is considered to be old news. It relates to events which happened in 2002 and has created relatively fuss. Since then there have been countless investigations resulting in the arrests of dozens of suspects.

"This court case that goes back some time and is linked to Algeria-based terrorists, known as GIA, who did carry out attacks in the mid-90s. In this case the defendants were working with the jihadists from al-Qaeda.

"The Paris network, of which the defendants jailed today were part, was created to form a support network for Islamic militants in the war-ravaged Russian republic of Chechnya.

"The threat from the Chechan connection has been known in France for some time, predominantly from warnings by one man, Jean-Louis Bruguiere, the judge in charge of the French anti-terrorist operations, who has been very active over the last 15 years in advancing policy towards terrorism."


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: dst; frog; meanfrench; tolerantbrits
........The tolerant French
1 posted on 06/14/2006 10:34:15 PM PDT by Pro-Bush
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To: Pro-Bush

Ah no. Not tolerant. It's just we're the 'bad' ones, but they don't publicize their own activities.


2 posted on 06/14/2006 10:39:17 PM PDT by farlander (Strategery - sure beats liberalism!)
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To: farlander

I will not forget that while the world was chastising us for putting panties on a dudes head(TORTURE!)
The same week French troops opened fire with .30 cal on unarmed protesters in the Ivory Coast and nobody would cover it.

All Nations are created equal. But some are more equal than others.


3 posted on 06/14/2006 10:44:58 PM PDT by When do we get liberated? ((Multi-culturism, go for a dirt nap. If you cant stand behind our troops, stand in front of them.)
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To: Pro-Bush

Donald Rumsfield said: "Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion."


4 posted on 06/14/2006 10:57:41 PM PDT by no dems ("Mr. President: Put up that wall.")
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To: no dems
lol, that about sums it up. The useless French.
5 posted on 06/14/2006 11:01:57 PM PDT by Pro-Bush (A nation without borders is not a nation." president Reagan)
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To: When do we get liberated?

I saw that video, talk about a massacre.


6 posted on 06/14/2006 11:07:38 PM PDT by Pro-Bush (A nation without borders is not a nation." president Reagan)
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To: Pro-Bush
Actually the French are quite probably the harshest when it comes to anti-terror activities on their on soil. They may bob and weave (and yelp and b!tch and talk and talk and talk and .......) when it comes to things pertaining to the US' response to terror around the world, but when it comes to Jihadi activities in France (even the semblance of it) the French do stuff that is super.

On the other hand, the British are weaklings when it comes to terror on their own soil. In matters of internal security, it is the British that are the French ......wussies.

7 posted on 06/15/2006 3:23:01 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: spetznaz
On their on soil = on their own soil
8 posted on 06/15/2006 3:24:25 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: Pro-Bush

where did you see it. When I try to put Abu gharib in context, nobody believes me. MSM ignored it so it did not happen


9 posted on 06/15/2006 6:33:07 PM PDT by When do we get liberated? ((Multi-culturism, go for a dirt nap. If you cant stand behind our troops, stand in front of them.)
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To: spetznaz

You have it backwards. Remember the riots? The French are wussies.


10 posted on 06/15/2006 7:44:02 PM PDT by Pro-Bush (A nation without borders is not a nation." president Reagan)
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To: Pro-Bush
Actually no ....I have it in the right way. When it comes to Islamic terror etc within borders it is the British that have the wuss factor pumping strong. They have what are probably the harshest set of laws when it comes to Islamic activities within France that may be connected to Jihadism and they are applied in a manner that is (honestly) exemplary. Some might even say that they go too far (not me, but a case could be made with the right mix of Lib-ade). The British on the other hand are ludicrous when it comes to internal security. They are quite literally too politically correct, and if they continue along that path it will surely come back to bite them on their @$$ (or in the Brit case their @r$e).

You also bring up the riots. Well, for one those riots were caused by Islamic youth, but it wasn't exactly terrorism (although they were indeed terrorising their neighborhoods and law-abiding citizenry). Semantics aside it wasn't terrorism perse. As for reactions on the British side, just a few months ago Muslim protestors were walking down British streets with signs saying that they would behead Britons, that Britain was facing their own 9/11, and such stuff (several posters had threads with those pictures). The interesting thing is that those protestors had British police guarding them. Now, I'm sure someone might say that it was all in the name of free-speech, but I'd call that BS. And just this week British cops were apologizing for a raid on a suspect they believe had ties to Jihadists, and the whole thing took on a life of its own. It is ridiculous.

Then there is the whole thing where Chirac threatened to use nukes on any state that harbors terrorists that attack France. Now, I'm the first to admit that a French threat has about the same worth as a bucket of warm spittle, but cowards (especially those with nukes) can do surprising things. And some of the things the French were doing in West Africa just a few years ago (in the guise of 'peace keeping'), or further back when the French sank a GreenPeace ship that was protesting their nuclear testing off Mururua atoll, shows that not all Froggies are afraid of kicking butt (even when it is entirely one-sided). Overall the French are cowardly (no doubt about that), but they are not universal cowards like some on FR try to make them. And in some aspects of anti-terror activities (particularly internal issues) it is the British that take top prize in Wussiedom .....apparently the British analogue of our ACLU would even make our Libs cringe!

11 posted on 06/15/2006 11:18:01 PM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: When do we get liberated?
Download Compressed version on this page - WARNING - GRAPHIC VIDEO OF IVORY COAST MASSACRE 2004
12 posted on 06/15/2006 11:34:36 PM PDT by Pro-Bush (A nation without borders is not a nation." president Reagan)
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To: spetznaz
Thanks for the response, but you basically gave only your opinion. OK, Chirac's unrealistic nuke threat holds water, but that is about it.

The UK is participating in the war on terror in a big way, while France is only helping in a limited fashion. Chirac is an appeaser to al queda and Bin Laden - and was taking money from Iraq with the UN "oil for food" scandal. Plus, he obeyed Bin Laden's truce offer by default - by not sending troops to Iraq or Afghanistan.

Chirac is the ultimate wuss. We agree to disagree I see.
13 posted on 06/15/2006 11:50:45 PM PDT by Pro-Bush (A nation without borders is not a nation." president Reagan)
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To: Pro-Bush
I actually agree with you more than you know. For instance I believe that overall the French are wussies of the highest caliber. I also believe that in our fight on terror the British have been of far greater help (both in public and private). Furthermore I also agree that the archetypical French politician would rather bury his head in the sand (or for that matter cr@p) rather than wake up and realize what song the piper is playing. And I'd rather have one British soldier with a sharp stick and a bludgeon at my door doing guard duty than two French ones with rifles and a mini-guns galore. Easy.

My ONLY point of contention is that when it comes to internal security (anti-terror activities directed towards Jihadi linked groups within their borders, and the financing and logistics behind them) that the French are leagues ahead of anyone in Western Europe, and are basically not even on the same planet as the Brits (who, while they have nuts the size of Texas on external issues, are plagued by Political Correctness on internal issues that would even make our ACLU go 'bleh'). That is the only thing I'm saying. As for appeasement to AlQueda and that cow BinLAden in France, well it was just today that there was talk of the largest Islamic funding system in the world being set up in ...you guessed it, Britain .....with ties to certain individuals who will not be receiving invitation cards to the White House anytime soon. Britain is a safe-haven to any Jihadi who manages to get there .....as long as they can get in they are basically in lush-land.

Anyways .....short and long of it is as follows. Externally the British are ...well ....the Brits (and all the positive stuff that goes along with that proud name). Internally though (and this is the crux) they are plagued with political correctness that would have Teddy Kennedy on a diet and Gore taking kissing lessons pronto! IT is almost funny to follow the ridiculous loopholes, apologies, and messups the Brits do on their own soil, and the number of Islamic groups (think blow-you-up Islam) that walk around with total impunity. Then look at how France deals with such people on their own soil.

Anyways, that was all I was saying. Just that one area .....internal security and how the two nations deal with it (which is more or less what this article was also touching on ....how the French simply do not have the same type of hand-wrangling for internal security that they have for everything else).

14 posted on 06/16/2006 7:10:39 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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