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Confederate flags on space station draw ire
MSNBC ^ | 6/13/06 | James Oberg

Posted on 06/14/2006 5:58:12 PM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom

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To: MissouriConservative
btw, one of the coven (the "shunned, nameless one") continues to post to me even though i informed him(more than a YEAR ago) that i don't read his false/intolerant/evasive/MEAN-spirited nonsense anymore & will NOT.

talk about "HAS NO LIFE!"

free dixie,sw

921 posted on 06/22/2006 2:15:46 PM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: stand watie

Many of these people who have posted to me, have the wild notion that if they approach their agenda from a different angle, I'll just fall right into line like a good little soldier...


922 posted on 06/22/2006 2:29:49 PM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
understood. be not concerned. you are a WHOLE bunch smarter & seemingly better educated than ANY of them, except possibly N-S. (it must be "TOUGH" to be N-S & "have to put up with" the other members of the coven.)

it is also possible that SOME of the DUMB-bunnies are TROLLS, instead of ignorant.

TROLLS are on FR to just cause "problems". (i should point out that about 8-10 former "members of the DY coven" are now active on DU & they are just as hateful on DU, as they ever were here on FR.)

you could well ask: were they TROLLS, both then & now??? (that question, i don't have the answer to.)

free dixie,sw

923 posted on 06/22/2006 2:42:23 PM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: stand watie

Thanks. Always wondered about the referrence of Trolls, but I was not going to visit the DU site to find out. There's enough scary critters here, one doesn't need to go looking for them...


924 posted on 06/22/2006 2:47:23 PM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: stand watie
Say, did you track down that copy of "Yachts Against Subs" yet?

Do you need Dr. Lubar's email address?

925 posted on 06/22/2006 2:51:44 PM PDT by Heyworth
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To: stand watie

"TROLLS," reminds me of Three Billy Goats Gruff, a story I'd read to my children when they were much younger. Always gotta watch out for those who try and knock ya off the bridge, just because they can...


926 posted on 06/22/2006 2:55:32 PM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: Heyworth
And I'm very proud of the history of my home state of Illinois, where my ancestors broke the prairie sod with their own sweat instead of that of slaves, who fought to preserve the union, and who gave America Abraham Lincoln.

As I recall, that history also includes a rather unpleasant reception (to put it as charitably as possible) for Martin Luther King, Jr. and Ralph Abernathy at the Chicago open housing marches in 1966. But that's been 40 years ago, and I'm sure things have changed there, too.

927 posted on 06/22/2006 4:36:46 PM PDT by Texas Mulerider
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To: Texas Mulerider
But that's been 40 years ago, and I'm sure things have changed there, too.

No, not really. It's still a de facto segregated city--blacks on the south and west sides, whites in the southwest, northwest and north. What's changed is that since the 1980s the Democratic machine has been better about giving the black community a piece of the patronage action and the black population boom and resulting neighborhood expansion that led to the violent white reaction has eased.

Where I grew up, down in central Illinois, things were worse. My town of 30,000 had no blacks at all (I think there are a few now) and was once described in a magazine as "the most fish belly pale town in Illinois," although to their credit the article went on to tell how the residents ran white supremacist Matt Hale out of town when he tried to hold a rally there, so maybe things are better now.

I don't make excuses for the deep-seated racism in Illinois, but do point out that it wasn't so bad that Chicago didn't become the major destination in the black "Great Migration" out of the south.

928 posted on 06/22/2006 5:11:25 PM PDT by Heyworth
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To: Heyworth
but do point out that it wasn't so bad that Chicago didn't become the major destination in the black "Great Migration" out of the south.

Interesting that you should mention the Great Migration. The Economist had an article in the mid-90s that claimed that black migration patterns have now reversed themselves, and that the South now has a net annual inflow of blacks from other parts of the country. I believe more recent census data confirms that.

929 posted on 06/22/2006 6:30:25 PM PDT by Texas Mulerider
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To: Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
I am asking if you really are saying that people can make accusations and not have to provide any evidence to back them up.

I am asking if you really are saying that writers have less of a burden to providing evidence than other people do.

If you beleive those things, some variation of "That's what I meant" would simply be repeating a previous opinion. No backing into a corner there.

If you don't believe those things and I read your intent wrong, correcting the record could not possibly harm you. No backing into a corner there.

There is no bad intent on my part, and even if there was, there would be no reason for you to refuse to answer the question if you're really interested in truth. So please do the mature thing and tell me what the standard of evidence is.

930 posted on 06/22/2006 7:40:58 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (My other car is a Herkimer Battle Jitney.)
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To: old gringo
well i was taught if you live in a glass house not to throw stones.

Your post makes no sense. Please elaborate.

931 posted on 06/22/2006 7:42:42 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (My other car is a Herkimer Battle Jitney.)
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To: stand watie
will give your silly/evasive post the respect it deserves = NONE.

Aw gee, don't go making me cry now. Call me when you have some evidence to offer or an apology for your lies.

932 posted on 06/22/2006 7:55:38 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (My other car is a Herkimer Battle Jitney.)
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To: pollyannaish

You might want to see posts 708 and 709 before you allow stand watie to cozy up to you.


933 posted on 06/22/2006 7:58:02 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (My other car is a Herkimer Battle Jitney.)
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To: MissouriConservative
I heartily agree with you. There is no civil discourse with some people as their entire life is built around hate. Their minds are so narrow that it can be spanned by a blade of grass.

The majority of stand watie's pronouncements that people are haters are made in response to people who ask him to provide evidence to back up his accusations. Do you think someone is a hater if they believe historical accounts should be based on evidence?

934 posted on 06/22/2006 8:00:03 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (My other car is a Herkimer Battle Jitney.)
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To: LeoWindhorse
Isn't it interestin that exactly what the Kennedy's point out in the book is still so alive and well today. In fact you can view it in action right here ! ;^)

Does that view include Schwerin and watie's idea that it is a vile thing to expect a historian to provice evidence that an event actually happened?

935 posted on 06/22/2006 8:01:46 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (My other car is a Herkimer Battle Jitney.)
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To: Heyworth
This is coming from a man who a few months ago cited, as his (incorrect) source for the invention of heroin and aspirin, a German historical novel.

How dare you say that novel wasn't a good cite, you damnyanke propaganda machine!

Seriously, someone got him to actually cite a source?

936 posted on 06/22/2006 8:02:58 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (My other car is a Herkimer Battle Jitney.)
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To: Heyworth; Texas Mulerider
Hey Mulerider, I'm taking a big risk here posting to you, because I've put my foot in my mouth every other time...;-)

I have to say you're both right. Race relations were bad here in Illinois for a long time. Part of it was that many whites whose ancestors had fought to free the slaves were not down with it when the descendents of the slaves started showing up in Chicago.

That said, the entire time I was in school in Maine I met three students who were non-white...and that wasn't until I went to a high school with almost 1,600 kids in it. Most Illinoisans have very integrated lives.

937 posted on 06/22/2006 8:14:54 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (My other car is a Herkimer Battle Jitney.)
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To: Texas Mulerider; Heyworth
Interesting that you should mention the Great Migration. The Economist had an article in the mid-90s that claimed that black migration patterns have now reversed themselves, and that the South now has a net annual inflow of blacks from other parts of the country. I believe more recent census data confirms that.

I'm not surprised. What drove them from the South was racism, and what sent them North was opportunity. Now Southern racism is dead as a doornail, and the opportunity is moving South as the North taxes its jobs out of existence.

938 posted on 06/22/2006 8:17:26 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (My other car is a Herkimer Battle Jitney.)
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To: Mr. Silverback

I have read with great interest your posts on this thread. I have read venomous attacks and plenty of insults and childish name calling. I have also noticed a heavy bias on your part but that's understandable on threads like these. But the insults do not belong. Calling someone an "old coot" is engaging in a discussion or debate? Usually the insults are the last line of defense of the losers of arguments.

I believe someone is a hater based upon the words they speak and in the context they speak them. I believe someone can make a point without insulting names being thrown about. I also believe that a vast majority of "facts" in these arguments come from the fact that the winner writes the history. That has happened from the beginning of time. But just because the winner writes the "facts" does not make them fact.

I'm sure that the North Koreans believe the "facts" that are told to them by their dear leader too. But does that make them facts? I prefer to do my own research beyond history textbooks and what others tell me. I am not one to eat the spoon fed information that I am given. I can only hope you are the same.


939 posted on 06/23/2006 12:39:23 AM PDT by MissouriConservative (People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid - Kierkegaard)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Think of me as completely neutral in whatever fights are going on here. I only scanned it quickly (which took a long time with over 900 posts.)

I only remarked on the fact this fight goes on...and was given a welcome. I responded in kind.

Good luck with whichever dog you have in the fight.


940 posted on 06/23/2006 1:20:15 AM PDT by pollyannaish
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