Confederate flags on space station draw ire

MSNBC ^ | 6/13/06 | James Oberg

[Mr. Silverback]

Let me clarify: i have never had aproblem with the Confederate flag. My probalem has been with those who make Federal troops and their commanders out to be some sort of monsters, or try to portray the antebellum South as some wonderland where all the races were singing Kum-bai-yah together.

Those who are proud of the bravery exhibited by so many CSA soldiers should fly that flag proudly, and I say that as a man who wanted to name his son after Joshua Chamberlain.

[Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin]

Now, I am getting really tired of your hidden accusations that are totally unnecessary and unwelcome. I never claimed any such thing as historian. And you, my dear sir, are incredibly close to finding the, Au Revoir...

[Mr. Silverback]

There are no hidden accusations. I find that your post about questions-as-hostility does not match up with your post about the burdens of proof for writers, and I am trying to understand your point.

As for my characterization of you as a historian, I'm sorry I mistook your book about Lee's daughter for a history. I see now that it's a historical novel. Nevertheless, one must practice the trade of the historian to be a historical novelist, and be true to every historical detail that doesn't interfere with good storytelling.

[LeoWindhorse]

Joshua Chamberlain was an incredible fighter and a great officer and General. I hope we have plenty such men , cut of the same clothe as he, in our Armed Forces today . And a few Jacksons and Forrests too!
So did ya name your son Joshua? A fine name....

[stand watie]

seriously, i'm a bit worried about N-S. he USUALLY is NOT this way, even with me.(we have corresponded for several years on FR)

he is frequently witty, sends well-sharpened & clever arrows my way, etc. but NOT this last week.

i have no explanation for this change.

free dixie,sw

[308MBR]

But it only takes one or two Yankees in the right place to make me ashamed of my whole country.

Murtha, Kerry, any Kennedy, DeWine, Kucinich, etc.

[stand watie]

a MINORITY of the union military forces WERE monsters, as they came south OBVIOUSLY to prey on the weak, defenseless & for $$$$$$$. those are "the FILTH in BLUE", that committed the TENS OF THOUSANDS of WAR CRIMES against the most vulnerable of southerners, i.e. the racial minorities, the religious minorities,the "poorest of the poor" AND the helpless CSA prisoners of war, who were "in the especial care of the union army".

sherman, the destroyer, certainly FITS that mold (as he did NOTHING to halt the ATROCITIES committed against the helpless by his troops), as does MG benjamin (THE BEAST) butler. (BOTH have a seat "near the hot part of the eternal fire", imVho.)

otoh, the vast majority of the "billy yanks" were DECENT, as LTC Josh Chamberlain was. frankly, i know of not even ONE southerner who thinks all the unionists were evil or criminals.

on the other hand, i have NOTHING but CONTEMPT for those who DENY the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of atrocities that WERE committed by the "criminal minority" of the union army.

free dixie,sw

[stand watie]

fwiw, what part of the NORTH was a "wonderland" of racial equality???

NO PLACE then or NOW is the truthful answer.

imVho, as a member of "a minority group other than white", the MOST VICIOUS & INCIDIOUS racists in all of the continent are in "the oh,so POLITICALLY CORRECT northeast" & on "the left coast".

they smile to your face & make racist,condescending & antisemitic comments to your back. (they have only my CONTEMPT!)

free dixie,sw

[stand watie]

and THIS thread is now over 1,000 posts!

i wouldn't have believed it.

free dixie,sw

[LeoWindhorse]

hip hip HOORAY!


;^)

[stand watie]

considering the article that started this LONG thread was (like the seinfield TV show) "about nothing" of importance, i AM surprized.

free dixie,sw

[LeoWindhorse]

"about nothing" of importance,

the venerable Stars and Bars ?
I beg to differ suh....

[stand watie]

i meant about the ORIGONAL hogwash about the ISS & the Russians selling flags.

free dixie,sw

[LeoWindhorse]

I know ;^)

[smug]

Yes, and the state that holds the record for the largest Klan membership was Indiana, a state for which there was no star in the Confederate battleflag.

Indiana even elected them

"When self-professed Klansman Edward Jackson was elected governor in 1924, forty per cent of all native-born Caucasian men in Indianapolis, along with most members of the City Council, the Board of School Commissioners, and the Board of County Commissioners claimed Klan affiliation."

[smug]

I'll agree with number 1 but I'm not familiar with number 2. But I believe that the migration actually started in the teens with blacks coming north to work in war industries. One of the earliest race riots in Chicago occured about 1919 or 1920 as an offshoot of the growing black population on the south side.

In 1927 the Mississippi Delta flooded The result of this is the 98% of blacks that voted Republican became 98% that voted for democRats. It also caused the displacement of thousands that for lack of anywhere else to go--moved north where the jobs were.

[Non-Sequitur]

"When self-professed Klansman Edward Jackson was elected governor in 1924, forty per cent of all native-born Caucasian men in Indianapolis, along with most members of the City Council, the Board of School Commissioners, and the Board of County Commissioners claimed Klan affiliation."

And the Klan empire in Indiana effectively died 2 years later when Grand Dragon D.C. Stephenson was convicted of the abduction, rape, and murder of Madge Oberholtzer. By 1928 Klan membership had declined from 178,000 to less than 4,000, which makes one wonder how much hold the racist aspect of the organization had if it could collapse so quickly with just the loss of its leader.

During the rebellion Indiana was a copperhead stronghold. You suppose that's one of the reasons why the Klan had such success there?

[Non-Sequitur]

But it only takes one or two Yankees in the right place to make me ashamed of my whole country.

I know what you mean. Clinton, Carter, Johnson, Frist, etc.

[Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin]

Yes, well I'm sure you realize just how awful I feel and full of pity and self-sacrifice I am for his predicament. There is not a stitch of sympathy I hold for anyone who deliberately makes attempts to bring another down, as he has done. Not to mention the disrespectful abomination of the differences between genders. And regarding the worry, well the cry baby can just solicit tears and sympathy cards from anyone else who takes the bait...

[Texas Mulerider]

During the rebellion Indiana was a copperhead stronghold. You suppose that's one of the reasons why the Klan had such success there?

Top ten states with largest Klan membership, in order:

Indiana
Ohio
Texas
Pennsylvania
Illinois
Oklahoma
New York
Michigan
Georgia
New Jersey
Florida