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To: catholicfreeper

"The Church is not saying that there should be consequences. "

Here's a consequence. If you dont belong here, go back home.

"Also the Church is not saying this in order to fill the pews up."

I didnt say that (Although others have, and I dont think its way off base to see this as a form of pandering.)

" You speak of RCIA. Well the proposals that people are calling Amnesty amount to whats basically a 12 year RCIA class but one to become an American citizen."

Wrong. It's more like a Muslim taking communion for a few years and then deciding "You know what, he's been at it so long, what's the harm in letting him keep doing it."
You know that is completely beyond what the catholic church would tolerate. They are hypocritically demanding the USA dispense with rules, when they themselves wouldnt dream of doing so.

"Furthermore, the above is consisent with Teachings of our most conservative and orthodox of Popes and Catholic Teachers."

It would also be FULLY consistent with Catholic catechism to simply say that the law should be obeyed, and that any changes to immigration law be made via due process, not via subterfuge of amnesty.

"It can not just be dismissed as in the same category as liberation Theology."

Why the heck not? The same liberal Jesuit types pushing liberation theology have been the biggest cheerleaders on this. These are highly connected to marxist and globalist viewpoints where our border need to be erased and our economy needs to be brought tothe level of the third world.

"The Church here is concerned about primarly the Dignity of the human person and the unity of the family. "

Well, then, they ought to advocate for strict border enforcement so we dont get any more such potential problems like these created by illegal immigration. Let them proposed that the whole family stay together as they move back to the country in question. Let them advocate for an end to anchor babies, so fewer 'magnets' exist to create these problems, etc.

"One wonders what POland would have looked liked if the Church had not got involved in politics there. THe Church has a duty and obligation too be involved in issues like this."

They have a greater obligation to be on the right side instead of the wrong side of this issue. What they advocate does real harm to the rule of law, to our country's social fabric, and our economy.


103 posted on 06/14/2006 8:39:41 PM PDT by WOSG (Do your duty, be a patriot, support our Troops - VOTE!)
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To: WOSG

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105 posted on 06/14/2006 8:40:13 PM PDT by garbageseeker
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To: WOSG

If the State through its actions tears up millions of Familiies then the State is wrong especially if there is other alternatives.

The Church is not saying that there should not be consequence. THe Church is not saying that the State can not act to curb illegl immigration. THe Church does not condone illegal immigration however it does not condone a greater evil be enacted to combat a lesser wrong. That in itself is sinful. THe deportation and Starvation of 12 million people all without exception would be wrong. The fact that so many family units would be broken up without exceptions is a much greater evil that a illegal border crossing that occured in some cases 20 or more years before. That is what the Church is trying to say. That some current proposals that are being mentioned to correct a wrong are in fact a much greater wrong and cannot be condoned


110 posted on 06/14/2006 8:47:04 PM PDT by catholicfreeper (I am Blogging for the GOP and Victory O6 at www.theponderingamerican.blogspot.com)
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