Posted on 06/14/2006 4:12:23 AM PDT by Man50D
Fair Tax ping!
"After all, they are so well hidden, standing there on the corner of McGrath and Broadway in Somerville, Mass., every morning from sunrise to lunch, waiting to be picked up by anonymous labor johns. Really, how does one capture people so cautious that they jump into the back of any truck that pulls up? I mean, this isn’t something easy like going to the moon or establishing Democracy in all the world. "
LOL! Exactly! We have laws that are totally ignored. On purpose I suppose with a wink and a nod. Illegal invasion by muggers stealing from taxpayers.
Don't know much about the Fair Tax proposal, but from what I've heard/read, this article now brings it all into focus, proper perspective and "common sense," attributes--none of which, of course, applies inside the Beltway.
This article hit home in that those of us who have that nasty habit of indulging in tobacco products (yes, smoking) have seen the results of the Gestapo-Tax-Zealots (led by New York's "Spritzer") as they threatened, cajoled, and ultimately "convinced" major credit card companies NOT to allow payments for tobacco products ordered online--primarily to Indian (sorry, native) controlled outlets.
It had nothing to do with smoking, health, cancer, kids, etc., it was all about THE MONEY (tax revenues) they were losing as a result of their own actions and the Billions of Dollars in lawsuit settlements which they received (and promptly deposited in the General Revenue and spend on whatever--and was apparently, not nearly enough for these money-grubbing-SOB's-Hacks)which led to higher prices; which led many of us to seek alternate and less expensive sources.
The IRS even forces employers to withhold a portion of wages earned by restaurant/bar/beauty salon, etc. employees, as it (IRS) assumes they (employees) earn tips, which they would not normally report.
Thus, if all were "forced" to pay their "fair share" thru a Fair Tax (including illegals) can anyone doubt who will be leading the charge and scream and holler the most AGAINST this proposal?
It will be demonized as "discriminatory," don't you know?
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I don't think OTM terrorists sneaking across the border care a lick what kind of tax system we have.
The Point is that guarding the border would be ten times more effective including having ten times more border guards. All of which would make it ten times more likely that the border security would spot and stop terrorists. It's so obvious I only mention it because...
You already know it. And you know it doesn't fit your anti-FairTax agenda so you ignore it. You are soooo transparent. As Mark Twain wrote: "It's better to sit in silence and be thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt."
For the unintended consequence of secure borders due to the FairTax, terrorists are anti-FairTax. You find yourself in such company, albeit for different reason. Then again, the IRS and income tax has terrorized hundreds of millions of Americans for decades. Thanks for injecting the terrorist issue as it relates to taxes.
If the *Fair Tax* was passed into law today, would the illegal immigration issue be put on the back burner? To me, it's only a fraction of the problem. The security and health issues, I hope, are at the top of most people's concern.
If the *Fair Tax* was passed into law today, would the illegal immigration issue be put on the back burner? To me, it's only a fraction of the problem. The security and health issues, I hope, are at the top of most people's concern.
Time and money both have opportunity costs. For example, I want to go to the movie and I want to play golf but I have only three hours. Which will I chose? That's opportunity costs. Here's another: the movie costs ten dollars and golf costs ten dollars, but have only ten dollars. Which will I chose?
Without awareness of opportunity costs many people -- with regard to federal income tax -- think they can have it all. Security, health, etc. 47% of the population pays no income tax. They think they can have it all. What they don't know is that 22% of the price of goods they buy is embedded tax and tax compliance cost. They only think they aren't paying any federal tax cost because they are kept unaware of the 22% embedded tax cost.
They, and for that matter the 53% that pay federal income tax, are unaware of the opportunity cost because they are unaware of the real tax cost.
Empower people with acknowledging at the cash register via the FairTax just how much government is costing them and their opportunity cost awareness kicks in. That will move them toward how much government costs and what exactly their tax dollars should be used for. Then health and security issues that you want at the forefront have a chance of getting their with beneficial ends the target. Certainly national security will increasingly become the primary focus because the primary function of government is to protect individual rights against initiation of force, threat of force and fraud.
The only true "fair" tax is a flat tax.
I've got a lot to listen to on this subject, as I've only begun musing about it.
What about my concern that creating a significant consumption tax creates a significant motivation to black marketeers, large and small, nefarious and seemingly innocent?
Also, I'm sure this is addressed, but how do you handle the inherently regressive impacts? No taxes on essentials?
Further, what to do with the new class of unemployed IRS and CPA minions who now will doubtless roam the streets in gangs, menacing our peaceful poulace with forms, charts and leftover gobbledygook?
Spend some time perusing the Fair Tax web site. Lot of good info there.
Also, I'm sure this is addressed, but how do you handle the inherently regressive impacts? No taxes on essentials?
Excellent question. And the answer is here. Spend some time and read the entire FAQ.
Fair Tax BUMP!
YES -BUT
it is NOW we must act.
If we lean heavy on DC - with our support and DEMAND that this get done THIS year, it will take effect next Jan. - never again a 'tax day' no more IRS.
But if we don't get this done now - we may never get another chance. The dimRAts are not going to want to loose their 'brown shirt' division, the IRS.
The FAIR TAX and the abolishment of the IRS will bring the greatest freedom any of us have ever known. And it will turn the control of gov't back to US the People.
the only 'reporting' will be a post card size form every year to report - sent to the social security office - the name and SS# of those in our household.
No reporting of who we work for, how much money we make, nada...
xcamel: I know no such thing to be true. Simply taxing illegals does not make the problem go away.
That's your straw man. I never said nor implied the problem would go away, merely implied that the problem would be lessened. You attempt to put your words in my mouth. Doing that so that you could follow it with this:
xcamel: Again, all you can do is impugn the character of the person making the statement...
You do know that with ten times the amount of border security and guards that they would spot and stop more terrorists. Then again, maybe you don't and should take Mark Twains advice as posted at 7.
For more information see fairtax.org
Nope - you lose.
FairTax does not equal border security. Period.
It would however allow illegals to send 35-37% more money to mexico, but who's counting.
FairTax does not equal border security. Period.
"." PMS got the best of you? So you think increased border guards won't increase border security. As explained in the article, an unintended consequence of the FairTax will be increased border security.
It would however allow illegals to send 35-37% more money to mexico, but who's counting.
Why? Because illegal aliens wouldn't have payroll taxes withheld? Most aren't being withheld now!! Please do argue that the illegal aliens will go back to Mexico for each meal and go back to Mexico to sleep at night only to re-cross the border the next day. That way the will avoid paying the FairTax on food, rent, clothes and other things. Yeah that's the ticket, illegal aliens are going to routinely traipse back and forth across the border every day.
Again: "It's better to sit in silence and be thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." -- Mark Twain
For good information see the FairTax and the FairTax faq.
Chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee,
Rep. Bill Archer (R-TX)
August 12, 1996
- "A recent survey was done, in Europe and Japan, of the major corporations and I was astounded at the results. They were asked, 'If the US abolished its income tax and went to a sales tax, would that have any impact on your decisions?' Eighty percent of the corporations said they would build their factories in the United States of America. Twenty percent said they would move their international headquarters to the United States of America."
For more information see FairTax and the FairTax faq.
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