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Diesels Under Pressure
Forbes ^ | 06/09/06 | Jerry Flint

Posted on 06/13/2006 3:15:43 PM PDT by bruinbirdman

Under the hood, Europe and America take different roads. Half of Europe’s 15 million new car sales a year are for models with diesel engines. In the U.S., manufacturers sell fewer than 50,000 diesel cars a year.

Once again, diesels have a chance--but only a chance--at gaining ground in America. Rising fuel prices work in their favor, as does the advent of cleaner diesel fuel in the U.S., which will help open the door for the importation of Europe’s high-technology diesel engines.

The problem is that while cleaner diesel fuel is coming to market here, federal emission standards are climbing, too. The Europeans say that their new technology diesels will be able to meet our tougher rules, but not for a few years.

In Europe, diesels have a double-barreled advantage. First, they get better mileage, 25% to 30% better than gasoline-powered vehicles. Measured by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency standard, the Volkswagen diesel Jetta (stick shift) gets 36 miles per gallon in the city and 41 on the highway, versus 22/30 city/highway for the 2.5-liter five-cylinder gasoline model.

Second, European governments do not tax diesel fuel as much as gasoline. The difference in taxation may run as much as $2 per gallon. In the U.S., diesel does not have a price advantage. A colleague recently paid $2.71 per gallon for regular gasoline in Detroit, while diesel was going for $3. . . .

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: biodiesel; coal; diesel; energy; ethanol; oil; thermalconversion
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1 posted on 06/13/2006 3:15:44 PM PDT by bruinbirdman
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"Today companies cannot sell new diesel passenger cars in California, New York, Maine, Massachusetts and Vermont, which all have tighter rules than the national government does."

There is something familiar about these states other than a lack of deisel vehicles.

2 posted on 06/13/2006 3:18:49 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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The Jetta diesel I had got 50mpg hwy and 45 city.


3 posted on 06/13/2006 3:20:13 PM PDT by crghill
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It's now all about NOx.

The new diesels (with the new ultra low sulfur diesel (ULSD) currently being rolled out across America) can easily meet every other emission standard, and put out less of many other gases (including CO and CO2) than gasoline-fueled engines, but because of the higher temperatures involved in the combustion of a compression-ignition engine, they put out more NOx.

But, look at this:

EPA's New NOx Rules Could Increase Urban Smog Problem

Another example of counter-productive government regulation.

These EPA NOx rules need to be immediately suspended, at the very least, pending further investigation.

Then, we can get the clean diesels that Europeans enjoy, and start saving fuel!

4 posted on 06/13/2006 3:20:18 PM PDT by B Knotts (Newt '08!)
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Diesel sure seems like a viable option. Better than other proposals such as ethanol.
5 posted on 06/13/2006 3:20:58 PM PDT by dhs12345
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I love my F-250 7.3L Powerstroke Diesal. Even though diesal fuel is pricey I still come out ahead of comparable pick-ups with gas engines.


6 posted on 06/13/2006 3:21:20 PM PDT by weldAllday ("Superman wears Jack Bauer pajamas")
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Second, European governments do not tax diesel fuel as much as gasoline.

It should be noted that the U.S. taxes diesel more. This tax differential can be traced back to...you guessed it...the Clinton administration!

7 posted on 06/13/2006 3:22:09 PM PDT by B Knotts (Newt '08!)
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So many unanswered questions: Why is diesel taxed less in Europe if half the cars are diesel powered?
Implied, but not stated: is diesel fuel allowed to be "dirtier" in Europe? What's up with that with Kyoto and all?
8 posted on 06/13/2006 3:22:12 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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You got that right. The diesel engine is the original "flex fuel" engine!


9 posted on 06/13/2006 3:22:55 PM PDT by B Knotts (Newt '08!)
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It's part of Europe's Kyoto strategy. Diesels emit less CO2 (because they use less fuel), so the shift to diesels has helped Europe in the effort to comply with Kyoto.


10 posted on 06/13/2006 3:23:59 PM PDT by B Knotts (Newt '08!)
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And, no...European diesel fuel is very clean. The Europeans are less stringent on NOx, though (which would seem to be the smart way to go).


11 posted on 06/13/2006 3:25:09 PM PDT by B Knotts (Newt '08!)
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by 2010 the air coming out of the exhaust stack will be cleaner than the air going into the intake


12 posted on 06/13/2006 3:30:29 PM PDT by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody want a peanut.....)
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I don't know about the land versions but our marine diesels are getting much cleaner and much more fuel efficient. They have not been left behind in todays engine technology.

It also means we get more power per ton of engine weight out of them, although engine weight is often an asset (stability).

13 posted on 06/13/2006 3:38:15 PM PDT by capt. norm (W.C. Fields: "The time has come to take the bull by the tail and face the situation".)
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"These EPA NOx rules need to be immediately suspended."

Right. They are noxious rules.

And when that is fixed internal combustion vehicles will be banned for leaving too much rubber on the road.

yitbos

14 posted on 06/13/2006 3:38:44 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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Incidentally, Honda's new diesels that they will be selling in the U.S. will be using the plasma-reduction method, which was initially developed at Pacific Northwest Laboratory.

I think that method will probably beat out DaimlerChrysler's BLUETEC eventually, as I suspect it will be cheaper.

15 posted on 06/13/2006 3:43:55 PM PDT by B Knotts (Newt '08!)
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There are plenty of diesel pickups in Mass., why are diesel cars illegal?


16 posted on 06/13/2006 3:44:05 PM PDT by Lady Jag (You can complain because roses have thorns, or you can rejoice because thorns have roses.)
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Because of bad science. See link in comment #4.

Massachusetts uses California's emissions standards, which require absurdly low levels of nitrogen oxides, which in urban areas, seems to be counter-productive, resulting in more, not less, smog.

17 posted on 06/13/2006 3:46:36 PM PDT by B Knotts (Newt '08!)
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Not only that, but Diesel NOx doesn't increase with use. Typical automotive NOx emmissions surpass Diesel after about 40K miles.


18 posted on 06/13/2006 3:46:41 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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Trucks and buses, personal, business and public transportation, are diesel in Mass.   Why, then, do they allegedly ban diesel car sales?
19 posted on 06/13/2006 3:53:10 PM PDT by Lady Jag (You can complain because roses have thorns, or you can rejoice because thorns have roses.)
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None of the above are automobiles. There are differing emissions standards for different classes of vehicles.

No, it doesn't make a lot of sense, but that's how they do it.

20 posted on 06/13/2006 3:55:45 PM PDT by B Knotts (Newt '08!)
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