[Theoden]

We wouldn't be all that touchy if it were one or two people, the fact that it is many people, day after day that bothers us. We don't go into football threads striking at the masculinity of football fans for them loving to watch large, fat, and hairy men tackle each other in the dirt, or liking to watch dumb oafs running into each other.

BTW, I like football too, just pointing out the pendulum swings both ways!

Now if you want to talk about a crappy sport, one that shouldn't ever even be considered being called a sport, that would be NASCAR. The drivers are "athletes"!?!?! It doesn't take much athleticism to steer a car in one giant left turn for 3 hours, in fact, all you really need to do is watch the last 3 laps, watching the whole race is pointless. Most of the drivers stay in basically the same position the whole time. LOL, look what you did, you turned on my NASCAR rant!

[Vectorian]

'Now if you want to talk about a crappy sport, one that shouldn't ever even be considered being called a sport, that would be NASCAR.'

Nascar is a sport? They sometimes show it over here in the UK at 3AM when they run out of old war films. I thought it was a webcam of a busy freeway I was watching. . . . :D

[You Dirty Rats]

Yeah but you have to admit that watching five guys change tires and fill up a gas tank is pretty exciting and those guys are pretty athletic. I'll bet any one of those tire-changers could last at least three minutes running up and down a soccer field.

Then there's the whole Dale "Angel" Earnhardt thing. Dude was considered a dirty driver by many and his nickname was "The Intimidator" -- yet he dies on the track and becomes St. Dale.

The other point about world football vs. US football is that world football is capitalistic -- the teams that advance the furthest make the most money, both on a club and international level. There are rich teams and poor teams. The weak get relegated and the strong get promoted.

US Football, by contrast, is Communist -- TV revenues are shared, there is a hard salary cap, the weaker you are the better your draft position and the easier your schedule -- it's all right out of the Karl Marx playbook.

[soccer_maniac]

Never respond to a troll or a flame.

Instead you should always report trolling and flaming. By reporting posts (and posters) you insure the mods see problems a timely manner.

[Fighting Irish]

Now if you want to talk about a crappy sport, one that shouldn't ever even be considered being called a sport, that would be NASCAR. The drivers are "athletes"!?!?! It doesn't take much athleticism to steer a car in one giant left turn for 3 hours, in fact, all you really need to do is watch the last 3 laps, watching the whole race is pointless. Most of the drivers stay in basically the same position the whole time. LOL, look what you did, you turned on my NASCAR rant!

SEE? There you go! Common ground!

Now surfing.........there's a sport for yah!

Seriously for a moment - I didn't mean to make fun of soccer...and I'm sorry I intruded on this thread.

[not really but I'm trying my best Clintonian apology ploy]