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Flight of Young Adults Is Causing Alarm Upstate (NY)
NY Times ^ | June 13, 2006 | SAM ROBERTS

Posted on 06/13/2006 1:21:33 AM PDT by neverdem

Upstate New York is staggering from an accelerating exodus of young adults, new census results show. The migration is turning many communities grayer, threatening the long-term viability of ailing cities and raising concerns about the state's future tax base.

From 1990 to 2004, the number of 25-to-34-year-old residents in the 52 counties north of Rockland and Putnam declined by more than 25 percent. In 13 counties that include cities like Buffalo, Syracuse and Binghamton, the population of young adults fell by more than 30 percent. In Tioga County, part of Appalachia in New York's Southern Tier, 42 percent fewer young adults were counted in 2004 than in 1990.

"Make no mistake: this is not business as usual," Robert G. Wilmers, the chairman of M & T Bank in Buffalo, told his shareholders this spring. "The magnitude and duration of population loss among the young is unprecedented in our history. There has never been a previous 10-year period in the history of the upstate region when there has been any decline in this most vital portion of our population."

In New York City and the five suburban counties in New York State, the number of people ages 18 to 44 increased by 1.5 percent in the 1990's. Upstate, it declined by 10 percent.

Over all, the upstate population grew by 1.1 percent in the 1990's — slower than the rate for any state except West Virginia and North Dakota.

Population growth upstate might have lagged even more but for the influx of 21,000 prison inmates, who accounted for 30 percent of new residents. During the first half of the current decade, the pace of depopulation actually increased in many places.

David Shaffer, president of the Public Policy Institute, which is affiliated with the Business Council of New York State, described the...

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New York; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: census; cityofevil; demographics; ithaca; population; upstateny
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Phillippe Diederich for The New York Times
Matthew and Melissa O'Brien, both natives of upstate New York, at home in Tampa, Fla., with their children, Alexandra, 8, and Evan, 5.

Phillippe Diederich for The New York Times
Newell Nussbaumer, publisher of Buffalo Rising Magazine, hopes to promote the city and to reverse the exodus of recent college graduates.

The result of clueless libs & spineless RINOS, IMHO.
1 posted on 06/13/2006 1:21:37 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Its expensive in a Blue State. In a southern state, you can get big, decent housing for less than $200,000 for a family of four. No wonder the Northeast and California are losing people. Every one is moving to where there's a better quality of life, lower taxes and a chance for some real happiness.


2 posted on 06/13/2006 1:24:37 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: neverdem

Are they sure they are actually leaving? Isn't it possible they were never born in the first place?


3 posted on 06/13/2006 1:25:55 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Republican Wildcat

The only downside is liberals bringing their voting habits elsewhere and recreating the very conditions they're fleeing.


4 posted on 06/13/2006 1:27:24 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

It's called voting with one's feet. One doesn't have to live under onerous laws and tax rates yet. If I had both Schumer AND Hillary! "representing" me, I'd be working on an escape plan too.


5 posted on 06/13/2006 1:29:09 AM PDT by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: Paladin2

New York is a cornucopia and about the only people who can live there pull in six figure incomes. The most Americans will come close to it is on TV. They brace themselves for sticker shocker if they visit the Big Apple as tourists.


6 posted on 06/13/2006 1:31:43 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Republican Wildcat
Are they sure they are actually leaving? Isn't it possible they were never born in the first place?

"Among all people who left Erie County, according to an analysis by M & T Bank of data from 2003 tax returns, about half moved elsewhere in the state. About as many moved to Los Angeles County as moved to either Manhattan or Brooklyn."

7 posted on 06/13/2006 1:33:04 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Republican Wildcat
Are they sure they are actually leaving? Isn't it possible they were never born in the first place?

Yup. And Lake Placid and Niagara Falls are a myth. Ever been to New York?

8 posted on 06/13/2006 1:34:40 AM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: Cobra64

Every one wants to be where the fun and excitement is. That means high demand, low supply and every thing commands a premium. Go figure.


9 posted on 06/13/2006 1:36:27 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: neverdem
Once outside of the city, it's one of the prettiest states in the country. Most is farmland, forest, and parks.

If it weren't for the city, it'd be a Red state.

10 posted on 06/13/2006 1:37:57 AM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: goldstategop
The only downside is liberals bringing their voting habits elsewhere and recreating the very conditions they're fleeing.

For sure as per the debaucle of Bush v Gore 2000; created in Orange County, Florida. . .if these people do not figure it out. . .they will catch up with themselves. . .

11 posted on 06/13/2006 1:38:42 AM PDT by cricket (Live Liberal Free. . .or suffer the consequences. . .)
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To: goldstategop

Most of them aren't liberals, according to the map the conservative parts of the state are losing the greatest amounts of population.

You only have to worry if they say they are from Manhattan.


12 posted on 06/13/2006 1:39:04 AM PDT by Hong Kong Expat
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To: goldstategop
Its expensive in a Blue State. In a southern state, you can get big, decent housing for less than $200,000 for a family of four. No wonder the Northeast and California are losing people. Every one is moving to where there's a better quality of life, lower taxes and a chance for some real happiness. That, AND - maybe they just don't like digging their cars out of 3 feet of snow every day for 6 months of the year! LOL. I remember many winter mornings at Fort Drum in Watertown, NY wondering why human beings ever settled there in the first place. My dear wife (an AL native) told me later that if I ever decided I wanted to back to Upstate NY - it would be as a "geographical bachelor."
13 posted on 06/13/2006 1:44:22 AM PDT by Army MP Retired (There Will Be Many False Prophets)
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To: Cobra64
If it weren't for the city, it'd be a Red state.

No question re the beauty of New York state.

Wonder what color is the vote of NYT's Phillippe Diederich. . .

14 posted on 06/13/2006 1:44:48 AM PDT by cricket (Live Liberal Free. . .or suffer the consequences. . .)
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To: neverdem

In that specific age demographic?


15 posted on 06/13/2006 1:59:59 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: neverdem

Solution to this problem? Make New York City into a State. That way, New York will become a red state and will have easier time keeping young people after the government reduce taxes and eliminate some red tape.


16 posted on 06/13/2006 2:01:55 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican (everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL)
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To: Cobra64
And Lake Placid and Niagara Falls are a myth.

I have no idea what you are talking about or what that has to do with my question.

Ever been to New York?

Yes. Have you?

17 posted on 06/13/2006 2:02:41 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: goldstategop

I bet the only wall New York liberals will support is the one to keep the young adults from leaving. :-)


18 posted on 06/13/2006 2:08:31 AM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: Republican Wildcat

Truthfully, the Niagara Falls looks better on the Canadian side. Trust me, I went on both sides of the border to get a look at the falls. But its really spectacular in Ontario and you can't beat the view in the Skylon restaurant.


19 posted on 06/13/2006 2:09:24 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: neverdem
The result of clueless libs & spineless RINOS, IMHO.

Liberalism killed a beautiful state. Somehow the NYT forgot to write about why everyone with a clue is leaving. Could it be the outrageous taxes, unions, and regulation? You wouldn't know if you just read the NYT.

I grew up in upstate and loved it but there is absolutely no way I could live there now. There were eight kids in my family. Six have moved out of state. The other two are lawyers, feeding off the carcasses of upstaters that weren't smart enough to get the heck out of New York State.

20 posted on 06/13/2006 2:12:14 AM PDT by Neanderthal
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