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A WAKING GIANT - US Soccer Comes of Age
DER SPIEGEL ^ | June 11, 2006 | Andreas Tzortzis

Posted on 06/11/2006 7:33:41 PM PDT by Atlantic Bridge

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To: philsfan24

Soccer is the game the rest of the world plays because they don't have enough brains to invent really good games like baseball, basketball, and football.


62 posted on 06/11/2006 10:01:34 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: aequoanimo

Italy hasn't lost in around 14 games, although it tied several in there. There last loss was to Iceland 2-0.


63 posted on 06/11/2006 10:06:43 PM PDT by rb22982
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To: Jameison
There's a reason FIFA's changing the way they conduct their rankings. See the article I posted above for reasons. You guys play mickey-mouse teams (Mexico excluded) and therefore get ranked higher. You played Panama in the Gold Cup final for pete's sake!

Not to mention that in head-to-head encounters in the past year, England's C team beat you guys; you also received quite the spanking from Germany about a month ago.

Nigeria, for example, is ahead of Italy according to FIFA. And they're not even in the WC! What a farce.

Italy lost to South Korea in 2002, and if I remember correctly drew with the Cameroons in 1982 in Spain.

Aye, we performed poorly in 02 with a moronic coach who has luckily been replaced. I won't delve into the refereeing of that match, however (except to point out that the ref was soon afterwords involved in a bribery scandal).

We won the WC in 82, so we could've drawn with Jamaica for all it mattered. If you had won it all the loss to Iran wouldn't have mattered. But you didn't, haven't, and won't, this year anyway ;)

Well we did better than Italy in 2002. At least we got to the quarters. Italy didn't.

True, and you may very well beat us this year in our head-to-head match-up. On paper our squad outclasses yours by quite a bit, but matches aren't played on paper, so we'll see, and hopefully have an enjoyable match.

65 posted on 06/11/2006 10:10:34 PM PDT by Rightwing Canuck
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To: philsfan24
What's soccer?

Great question!. In the U.S. it's a game that your children play. You may have to bring oranges and Trail Mix occasionally to their games, and yell, "Score!!".. once in a great while. But after your kids move on..for Americans, it's the most BORING sport in the world!!

66 posted on 06/11/2006 10:13:20 PM PDT by ExtremeUnction
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To: rb22982

Actually I think our last loss was a 1-0 defeat against Slovenia. In our last 22 games we've won 12, drawn 8, and lost 2.


67 posted on 06/11/2006 10:14:34 PM PDT by Rightwing Canuck
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To: Rightwing Canuck
"We won the WC in 82, "

Thanks to a player (Paulo Rossi) who had been banned from playing due to corruption, and had no business playing at all.
Without him, you'd have been clobbered by Brazil before you even got to the final.
68 posted on 06/11/2006 10:16:43 PM PDT by Jameison
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To: Rightwing Canuck

I am a little worried about the WC squad. Totti's at 70% fitness, though that may be a Lippi misdirection for the press to chew on. Some of his squad selection has been suspect, and it could come back to haunt us when we face the USA and the Czechs.


69 posted on 06/11/2006 10:17:18 PM PDT by Rightwing Canuck
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To: ExtremeUnction

You have to feel sorry for the kids who "star" in soccer. The parents are saddled with going to those boring games year round for years on end. And for that pleasure they generally spend 5-10K per. Makes Hades not look so bad??

Pray for W and Our Freedom Fighters


70 posted on 06/11/2006 10:21:03 PM PDT by bray (Hey Zaqueeri, how ya like those IEDs???)
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To: Rightwing Canuck

Yup you're right, Slovenia was the last loss. Iceland was shortly before that. Those are the only 2 'recent' losses and both are from 2004.


71 posted on 06/11/2006 10:24:09 PM PDT by rb22982
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To: bray

Most parents really enjoy it. Some moreso than their kids.


72 posted on 06/11/2006 10:24:54 PM PDT by rb22982
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To: Jameison
Thanks to a player (Paulo Rossi) who had been banned from playing due to corruption, and had no business playing at all. Without him, you'd have been clobbered by Brazil before you even got to the final.

He was suspended from playing in the Italian league for the scandal, which he has always professed his innocence, and therefore the suspension was reduced from 3 years to 2. The idea that he had no business playing at all is ridiculous. He served the suspension he was given.

Pablito was then surprisingly called up to the WC squad of 1982, despite being in poor form (look at the awful group stage matches we put on). But then, the magic took over, and we hoisted the cup for a 3rd time.

73 posted on 06/11/2006 10:25:17 PM PDT by Rightwing Canuck
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To: ExtremeUnction
Nonsense. Many games are far slower slower pace, and far less 'exciting' than soccer. Personally I think Golf, baseball, tennis, and racing are about 20 times more boring than soccer. Basketball, football and hockey are much more action packed but soccer still requires the most athleticism of all sports IMO. My favorite sports in order for top 5 would be basketball, football, soccer, hockey, and then baseball.

Most people have never watched more than 1 soccer game in their whole life here in the states, much less really understood it (required to enjoy any type of game). Also, most people only get into a sport where they have a 'team' to pull for. Well, there aren't too many storied soccer teams in the US, and fewer with any television exposure since there are no commercial time outs like in other sports.

74 posted on 06/11/2006 10:30:01 PM PDT by rb22982
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To: Rightwing Canuck
"You guys play mickey-mouse teams (Mexico excluded) and therefore get ranked higher"

Typical European arrogance.
All that is taken account of in the FIFA rankings.
Winning a match agisnt Jamica doesn't give the same ranking points, for example, as wining a mtach against England.

"Not to mention that in head-to-head encounters in the past year, England's C team beat you guys; "

We have beaten the full English squad before, even at a time when hardly anyone in America was interested in soccer.
Plus England thsmselves got clobbered 4-1 by Denmark just last year.
It's football.

"Nigeria, for example, is ahead of Italy according to FIFA. And they're not even in the WC! What a farce"

Denmark didn't even qalify for the Europan Champsionship in 1992, but stil won it when they goot in due to another country geting disqualified.
Holland did not qualify for the 2002 World Cup, and they werwe one of the best teams on the planet.
Not qualifying for the World Cup does not mean a team is neccesarily bad.
75 posted on 06/11/2006 10:31:51 PM PDT by Jameison
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To: aequoanimo
"They're based on a variety of unbalanced methods, mainly on wins."

I know it was a different poster, and I know absolutely nothing of FIFA or soccer, but nothing could better typify European socialist thinking.

"All you care about in wins"

LOL... ummmm yeah.

Reminds me of Sean Connery.... "Loosers always wine about doing their best, while the winner goes home to F*ck the prom queen"
76 posted on 06/11/2006 10:36:52 PM PDT by FreedomNeocon (Success is not final; Failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts -- Churchill)
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To: Rightwing Canuck
"which he has always professed his innocence"

Don't they all?
Hey Jeffery Dharma was innocent too, right?

"The idea that he had no business playing at all is ridiculous."

Nope.
His suspension was deliberately reduced so he could play in the World Cup.
Let's face it, Italian football has had more scandals and sleaze than even Bill Clinton.
77 posted on 06/11/2006 10:37:44 PM PDT by Jameison
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To: FreedomNeocon

I think the Czechs pose us the biggest matchup issues of the group with giant Jon Koller in front and crafty, controlled midfield general Pavel Nedved running things for the team. That's one battle I think will determine the match... which team can dictate things in the middle of the field.


78 posted on 06/11/2006 10:47:34 PM PDT by soccer_maniac (Fine employers $100,000 for every illegal employee they hire-> millions of illegals will self-deport)
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To: Jameison
Typical European arrogance.

What is it with you and trying to attack my (perceived) nationality? First it was jabs at Canada, now Europe. Just because I put some critiques of the US team doesn't mean I have some personal vendetta against them. I actually want the sport to succeed in the States, and to do that they'd have to have some sort of success. Stop trying to turn this into some sort of personal attack.

Winning a match agisnt Jamica doesn't give the same ranking points, for example, as wining a mtach against England.

No, but when you play more often, you get more points. Having the Gold Cup happen so bloody often helps this. Personally I think the Gold Cup itself is a bit of a joke (the USA and Mexico dominate it; Canada's win was an abberation).

There's a reason even the US players were surprised when the US was at one point ranked as high as 4th (despite having just lost to Germany 4-1); the system is flawed.

Much more respected amongst soccer fans is the Elo ranking system, but even that has its problems. We'll see after the WC what FIFA's 'improved' system has to offer.

Holland did not qualify for the 2002 World Cup, and they werwe one of the best teams on the planet

Well, they are Dutch, perennial underachievers LOL

79 posted on 06/11/2006 10:47:52 PM PDT by Rightwing Canuck
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To: Jameison
Nope.
His suspension was deliberately reduced so he could play in the World Cup. Let's face it, Italian football has had more scandals and sleaze than even Bill Clinton.

Pretty much everyone was surprised that he was selected for the squad. If the FIGC was so pro-Rossi to be in the WC the idea that they'd have him not be able to play for two years prior to the tournament is ridiculous. Why would anyone want a striker who's gone two years without playing? Only the coach, who had selected him in 78, took a gamble because he needed a box striker.

80 posted on 06/11/2006 10:52:50 PM PDT by Rightwing Canuck
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