[CWOJackson]

You have seen things that are suggestive of a frame up, so have I, but none of us has seen any real evidence one way or the other.

Yes, the media is spinning this, but so is every one who has already reached a decision of guilt or innocence.

In my perfect world following the announcement of an investigation into "possible" criminal acts we wouldn't hear anything else until the investigation was complete...or possibly even not until the charges were dismissed or moved forward.

Determining the facts and whether there was any criminal actions is important...in either case:

1) If these Marines are innocent then their names need to be cleared and they need to be able to resume their duties. No one should want less.

2) If they are guilty then they need to be held accountable for their crimes and given just punishment. No one should want less.

[BIGLOOK]

I'll stand with the Courts Martial decision whether for or against but we're not there yet. The politicians and media are swooping in on this incident for face time and headlines. Personally, a completion of the investigation and dismissal of charges against the Marines would please me to no end. But I think this is a story that will persist in years to come, regardless the outcome.

Let me put it this way......this is a politico/media inspired RIF.

Always good chatting with you, Chief. Were you a Marine?

[xzins]

If these Marines are innocent

Chief, they are innoncent, and not because I'm interpreting any facts or news reports. They're innocent because that is the standard of the UCMJ.

“…the accused must be presumed to be innocent until his guilt is established by legal and competent evidence beyond reasonable doubt.” -- Uniform Code of Military Justice, USC Title 10, Chapter 47, Subchapter VII, Article 51(c)(1)

At this point in time, they are innocent. That means we must speak of them as innocent. Our assumptions must begin and end with their innocence.