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Iraqi raises questions on al-Zarqawi death
AP on Yahoo ^ | 6/10/06 | Patrick Quinn - ap

Posted on 06/10/2006 8:57:01 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

BAGHDAD, Iraq - U.S. officials have altered their account of the death of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, saying he was alive and partly conscious after bombs destroyed his hideout, and an Iraqi man raised fresh questions Saturday about the events surrounding the end of Iraq's most-wanted militant.

The man, who lived near the scene of the bombing, claimed in an interview with AP Television News to have seen U.S. soldiers beating an injured man resembling al-Zarqawi until blood flowed from the man's nose.

When asked about the man's allegations, military spokesman Maj. Gen. William Caldwell said he would check. In Washington, Pentagon spokesman Jeffrey Gordon said Saturday he was unaware of the claim.

The Iraqi, identified as Mohammed Ahmed, claimed that residents put the man in an ambulance before U.S. forces arrived. The American military team then pulled the man from the ambulance and beat him, Ahmed said. He gave a similar account to The Washington Post.

No other witnesses have come forward to corroborate the account of a man resembling al-Zarqawi being beaten. U.S. officials have only said al-Zarqawi mumbled and tried to roll off a stretcher before dying.

On Friday, the military said al-Zarqawi survived the dropping of two 500-pound bombs on his hideout. The bombs tore a huge crater in the date palm forest where the house was nestled just outside Baqouba, northwest of Baghdad.

Iraqi police reached the scene first, and found the 39-year-old al-Zarqawi alive.

"He mumbled something, but it was indistinguishable and it was very short," Caldwell, a spokesman for U.S.-led forces in Iraq, said Friday.

Iraqi police pulled al-Zarqawi from the flattened home and placed him on a makeshift stretcher. U.S. troops arrived, saw that al-Zarqawi was conscious and tried to provide medical treatment, the spokesman said.

"He obviously had some kind of visual recognition of who they were because he attempted to roll off the stretcher, as I am told, and get away, realizing it was the U.S. military," Caldwell told Pentagon reporters via videoconference from Baghdad.

Al-Zarqawi "attempted to, sort of, turn away off the stretcher," he said. "Everybody re-secured him back onto the stretcher, but he died almost immediately thereafter from the wounds he'd received from this airstrike."

Caldwell has not mentioned any other physical interaction between U.S. troops and al-Zarqawi.

But Ahmed told AP Television News that a bearded man was still alive and was lying next to an irrigation canal. He claimed that U.S. troops wrapped a traditional Arab robe, known as a dishdasha, over the bearded man's head and beat him. His account could not be independently verified.

AP footage of the date palm grove showed debris — concrete blocks, shoes and sandals — scattered over a wide area around a large crater. Date palms were ripped from their roots around the blast site.

So much blood covered al-Zarqawi's body that U.S. forces cleaned him up before taking photographs.

"Despite the fact that this person actually had no regard for human life, we were not going to treat him in the same manner," Caldwell said.

The airstrike killed two other men and three women who were in the house, but only al-Zarqawi and his spiritual adviser have been positively identified, he said.

From a helicopter hovering above, a wide swath of destruction could be seen. The debris around the site included a women's slip and other pieces of clothing. Charred dresses, torn blankets, thin sponge mattresses and pillows were in the crater itself.

The debris of concrete blocks and twisted metal reinforcement bars included a pillow with a floral pattern, sandals and a foam mattress with the covering torn off. A cooling unit and part of a washing machine also were in the area.

Lt. Col. Thomas Fisher of the 1st Battalion, 68th Armored Cavalry said his men showed up at the site about five minutes after the blast and cordoned it off. He said they had a patrol in the area already.

"We didn't know it was Zarqawi, we just knew it was a time-sensitive target," he said at the scene early Saturday. "We suspected who it was."

Caldwell also said experts told him it is not unheard of for people to survive a blast of that magnitude. He said he did not know if al-Zarqawi was inside or outside the house when the bombs struck.

"Well, what we had found, as with anything, first reports are not always fully accurate as we continue the debriefings. But we were not aware yesterday that, in fact, Zarqawi was alive when U.S. forces arrived on the site," Caldwell said.

His recounting of the aftermath of the airstrike could not be independently verified. The Iraqi government confirmed only that Iraqi forces were first on the scene, followed by the Americans.

For three years, al-Zarqawi orchestrated horrific acts of violence guided by his extremist vision of jihad, or holy war — first against the U.S. soldiers he considered occupiers of Arab lands, then against the Shiites he considered infidels.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alzarqawi; death; iraqi; leftists; questions; raises; zarqawi; zarqawikilled
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To: Blueflag
I understood US MEDICS tried to save his ugly arse. If you have ever seen a trauma team work to save a critically injured patient, it just might look like a beating from a distance.

Wow, your reply sounds plausible an I'll bet the MSMedia had not even considered it. Especially to an Iraqi who had probably not ever had CPR.

161 posted on 06/10/2006 7:21:27 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: NormsRevenge

I'm just enjoying the stories of his death more and more.


162 posted on 06/10/2006 7:31:24 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: NormsRevenge
The man, who lived near the scene of the bombing, claimed in an interview with AP Television News to have seen U.S. soldiers beating an injured man resembling al-Zarqawi until blood flowed from the man's nose.




Wow, LOL, that is precisely similar to what Rush Limbaugh predicted a couple days ago on his show!!!
163 posted on 06/10/2006 7:58:24 PM PDT by danamco
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
MURDER! BLOODY MURDER!!!! WE MURDERED THE MURDERER!!! HOW CAN WE DO THAT? (with vigorous hand wringing)

I'm only surprised that it took this long for someone to crawl out of the woodwork and hurl a murder accusation at our Spec Op D-Boys!



You probably will hear it soon from jack murtha and the sheeeehan witch!??!
164 posted on 06/10/2006 8:01:02 PM PDT by danamco
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To: MNJohnnie

How utterly loathsome and despicable the Failed Media has become.



PRESSTITUTES! Pure and simple!!


165 posted on 06/10/2006 8:03:09 PM PDT by danamco
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To: Jameison
What took the Associalistic Press so long?



They must have been listening to el Rushbo Thursday!
He predicted it would happen!!
So AP goes and find some Ahmeds to rig the story, probably also with help from dan blather/mary mapes and then faxed it back from a Iraqi Kinko store!!!
166 posted on 06/10/2006 8:12:31 PM PDT by danamco
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To: Baynative
AND I hope it is. I hope a few of our guys got in some serious licks with the coward scumbag staring them right in the eyes. I hope they were laughing, calling him nasty names in Arabic and spitting in his face.




It looked like saddam hussein got the same, a few whacks from a riffle, when he later was examined by a military physician!??!
167 posted on 06/10/2006 8:16:04 PM PDT by danamco
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To: goldstategop

Yep....WHO CARES? And who cares if 50 of them hung themselves in GITMO?

I've stomached about as much political correctness as I can handle. Enough already!


168 posted on 06/10/2006 8:22:31 PM PDT by cowdog77
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To: Fairview

I suspect you are right. Beating on the chest trying to get a heart started can look pretty brutal.


169 posted on 06/10/2006 10:23:17 PM PDT by arjay (I would rather be right than consistent.)
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To: NormsRevenge
If, by chance, he was outside the house and missed out on the full coolness of the big kaboom, and instead had to be beaten to death by US troops, I'd be chill with that.

The main thing is that he is dead. If it was slow and painful as a proper beating would be, so much the better.

The dude had long ago lost the moral right to consume oxygen, and I along with most other human beings (including, it would seem, most of the Bush hating leftist media) are perfectly satisfied just knowing that he has assumed room temperature.

Still, the local paper, in the first full news cycle after confirmation of his death, allocated the above fold front page space to two news service stories with abundant quotes from America hating "experts" fully detailing the imagined downside to this event. And if that weren't enough, page two carried a piece about the reaction of Micheal Berg.

But still, Abu Z is dead and that's the main thing. Nobody can take that away.
170 posted on 06/10/2006 10:39:38 PM PDT by Clinging Bitterly (Oregon - a pro-militia and firearms state that looks just like Afghanistan .)
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To: NormsRevenge
Also, an Iraqi man raised fresh questions, telling Associated Press Television News that he saw U.S. soldiers beating an injured man resembling al-Zarqawi until blood flowed from his nose.

Saw blood flowing from his nose, eh?

"When the Americans arrived they took him out of the ambulance, they beat him on his stomach and wrapped his head with his dishdasha, then they stomped on his stomach and his chest until he died and blood came out of his nose," Mohammed said, without saying how he knew the man was dead.

Wait just a minute. Didn't you just finish saying his head was wrapped in a dishdasha? How could you see his nose?

171 posted on 06/10/2006 10:54:22 PM PDT by Hoodat ( Silly Dems, AYBABTU.)
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To: atomicpossum
Absolute BS. If we captured Z alive, we wouldn't kill him and waste all that valuable intel and propaganda we could squeeze from him.

Exactly! The "stuff is getting higher and deeper, thanks to the MSM and the "usual suspects" in "disloyal opposition".

172 posted on 06/11/2006 10:25:32 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: Bommer
BEATEN TO DEATH???? EVEN BETTER!!!! Dress him up like a baby seal and break out the Special Forces Aluminum baseball bats, and batter up for some Allah ball! Only thing better would have been to chainsaw his head off!!!

But you don't get any information of a dead man. You also make a martyr of him, rather than exposing him as the sniveling little bastard that he is.

Given that this is just a crock of, well, you know. The loss of intell is probably worse than the martyrdom. But exposing him as the coward that he is, that would have been truly sweet.

173 posted on 06/11/2006 10:45:47 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: El Gato

Your assuming that you could even get intel from this scumbag. Its not like we can tourture these @ssholes anymore without the ACLU getting invovled. And some ACLU lawyer would be defending him. Look at Saddam. Haven't gotten a damn thing from him and Ramsey Clark is defending him. Besides, according to Special Forces they retrieved a couple of hard drives and a treasure trove of information.


174 posted on 06/11/2006 10:56:22 AM PDT by Bommer (Attention illegals: Why don't you do the jobs we can't do? Like fix your own countries problems!)
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To: stevestras
It would be great if we could roll out a video and end this propaganda right now.

Special Ops folks often record their operations, so it's a distinct possibility.

175 posted on 06/11/2006 11:16:28 AM PDT by El Gato
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