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Regardless of where the truth ultimately is, at this point the major media’s treatment of Haditha is little more than a literate lynch mob in a rush to judgment.

1 posted on 06/10/2006 4:53:25 AM PDT by backhoe
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bump for future reference. Thanks backhoe


30 posted on 06/10/2006 7:00:54 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody want a peanut.....)
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A key source for McGirk’s report that US Marines in Haditha had deliberately attacked civilians was Thaer al-Hadithi. whom McGirk inexplicably described as “a budding journalism student”.

'Budding journalism student', I'd like you to meet 'Lucy Ramirez'!

31 posted on 06/10/2006 7:02:45 AM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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33 posted on 06/10/2006 7:15:33 AM PDT by listenhillary (Only the stupidest of animals fouls it's own nest - Democrats provide a fine example of this)
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Good work Backhoe.

Delacoert is trying to keep all the Haditha stuff archived. Please Ping him when you have new stuff as well


34 posted on 06/10/2006 7:21:41 AM PDT by pissant
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Great work. And it is shaping up about how many of us suspected.

What gets my blood boiling is that there are so few avenues to get this information out besides places like here on FR where it's mostly just preaching to the choir.

Meanwhile the cursed MSM spews their bullsh*t to the entire world night and day.


42 posted on 06/10/2006 7:37:49 AM PDT by Trampled by Lambs (I think, therefor I Zot!)
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Thanks for your hard work in bringing all this together. It truly looks like a setup and the rush to crucify these Marines is a pathetic lynch mob mentality by the MSM and Murtha.

Support Diana Irey for Congress and retire the hangman.

http://www.irey.com/


43 posted on 06/10/2006 7:46:39 AM PDT by jazusamo (DIANA IREY for Congress, PA 12th District: Retire murtha.)
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Why has there not been any word from the defense about Haditha? Maybe trying to prove a negative with scant evidence in a difficult part of the world has become a formidable task.

While the case is being built for the defense, the Left is having a field day fabricating a story out of the Mai Lai play book.
44 posted on 06/10/2006 8:04:55 AM PDT by jonrick46
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The initial reports at Time credited the Human Rights Watch for coming forth with the information about Haditha

The fascinating factoid I discovered is the Chairman of the
Middle East Advisory Committee is Gary Sick.

Gary Sick is the creator of the October Surprise that accused Reagan/Bush of having a deal to release the Iranian hostages after the Bush election.

The interesting parallel is that Sick's October Surprise is based on unsourced individuals-bascially rumors which cannot be verified.
47 posted on 06/10/2006 8:39:55 AM PDT by Raycpa
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Did I miss the report on a recent Brit trial for these same type of 'crimes' that went bust when all "witnesses" admitted to lying - to get more money.

The British Govt spent over 18M USD (what that is in pounds, I don't know, but a lot for sure) only to have the case dismissed 4 hours into the trail for lack of any evidence.

Makes ya wonder, huh?
52 posted on 06/10/2006 9:42:50 AM PDT by ASOC (Choose between the lesser of two evils and in the end, you still have, well, evil.)
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Freedom of speech isn't license to lie or slander or help an enemy. Al-Qaida has said that their attacks are designed to keep them in the news cycle. They know that can't win or even capture territory, only a headline. Our media is their forum.

So, at what point can Americans sue the media? If this story turns out to be yet another hit job, then it is our Marine Corp they have slandered for political reasons. "Just don't watch" or "just don't buy the paper" doesn't really satisfy and does little to make them be accountable.

These media people have the capacity to do damage to our nation, our troops and to our cause yet seem to feel no compulsion to simply do their jobs and report the unbiased news. Over and over, it's the same scenario, whether it's Dan Rather or Katrina or Haditha or whatever. There is no reprisal except in their sales or ratings, but the reporter or editor doesn't take the hit. That's not right. We live in a country that's got way too many lawyers. Well, here's a golden opportunity for them to do some good!

53 posted on 06/10/2006 10:37:52 AM PDT by GBA
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Ping!
Thank you for posting!


55 posted on 06/10/2006 11:16:45 AM PDT by MMinOH
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http://euphoria.jarkolicious.com/journal/2006/06/07/2462/

Children “survivors” - Coached?

Here’s a video of an interview with several of the child “survivors”.


59 posted on 06/10/2006 12:26:27 PM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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Thanks for gathering all this info into 1 place.

The real question IMO is: The statements by politicans indicitating the Marines are guilty will be used by the enemy as propaganda to turn people in Iraq and the Middle East against this country.

In Iraq this sort of anger could lead to the deaths of more US troops and potentially lengthing the campaign in Iraq.

If as it appears the Haditha incident is a hoax perpritrated by the terrorist, are the statements of politicans who falsly accused their fellow Americans of murder treasonous, don't these statements constitute giving AID and Comfort to the enemy?


60 posted on 06/10/2006 1:01:39 PM PDT by Leto
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69 posted on 06/10/2006 9:21:35 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day ("The man was an animal and he deserved what he got. May he rot in hell" -- Paul Bigley)
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Haditha: Reasonable doubt?

Is it too much to hope that reports of the massacre of civilians in Haditha by U.S. Marines will turn out to be false? At the American Thinker, attorney Clarice Feldman takes a look at evidence suggesting the allegations may not be trustworthy: "Haditha: Is McGirk the new Mary Mapes?" Feldman's analysis should be supplemented by Andrew Walden's Hawaii Free Press report, cited by Feldman: "Haditha: Reasonable doubt."

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73 posted on 06/11/2006 5:43:15 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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Washington Post Presents Marine’s Side Of Story

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1647257/posts

Lawyer: Marine Denies Haditha Massacre

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1647142/posts
12 posted on 06/11/2006 3:20:40 PM EDT by Kaslin


74 posted on 06/11/2006 12:42:19 PM PDT by backhoe (Just an Old Keyboard Cowboy, Ridin' the Trakball into the Dawn of Information)
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Atlas is quite good- read it all:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/

HADITHA: 5TH COLUMN MEDIA TERRIBLE LIE

How funny, the sitcom disappeared and reality TV took its place while agenda driven  fiction took the place of  network and media elite reporting. Manufactured news to further a left wing agenda. The media's  behavior is nothing short of astounding. And it may serve a great good. This is a hard slap across the face of the American people to really look at who they choose to get their news. Who do you trust baby?

Today's Washington Post has the dope on what went down at Haditha. I am surprised they ran it. (hat tip AB)

Marine Says Rules Were Followed
Sergeant Describes Hunt for Insurgents in Haditha, Denies Coverup

A sergeant who led a squad of Marines during the incident in Haditha, Iraq, that leftTime_haditha as many as 24 civilians dead said his unit did not intentionally target any civilians, followed military rules of engagement and never tried to cover up the shootings, his attorney said.

Staff Sgt. Frank D. Wuterich, 26, told his attorney that several civilians were killed Nov. 19 when his squad went after insurgents who were firing at them from inside a house. The Marine said there was no vengeful massacre, but he described a house-to-house hunt that went tragically awry in the middle of a chaotic battlefield.

"It will forever be his position that everything they did that day was following their rules of engagement and to protect the lives of Marines," said Neal A. Puckett, who represents Wuterich in the ongoing investigations into the incident. "He's really upset that people believe that he and his Marines are even capable of intentionally killing innocent civilians."Newsweek_haditha

Wuterich's detailed version of what happened in the Haditha neighborhood is the first public account from a Marine who was on the ground when the shootings occurred. As the leader of 1st Squad, 3rd Platoon, Kilo Company, 3rd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment, Wuterich was in the convoy of Humvees that was hit by a roadside bomb. He entered the house from which the Marines believed enemy fire was originating and made the initial radio reports to his company headquarters about what was going on, Puckett said.

Extensive blogosphere coverage (who else can you trust?) here

UPDATE: Shrinkwrappped studies the issue here;

I think we need to change the dynamic of stories like Haditha.  Our enemies are exceptionally good at Information Warfare. [...]
"Our enemies use women and children as human shields, and as propaganda tools in their war against the West.  Early in the fighting in Iraq our soldiers were entirely too respectful of the Mosque as sanctuary; when our soldiers began to fire on insurgents who hid within the walls of Mosques, denying them safe havens, there was no uprising from the mythical Arab street; the terrorists lost one of their most powerful weapons.  Until we start treating every report of an American or Israeli "atrocity" as if it is propaganda, rather than news, they will continue to use this weapon. 

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Like most people, I was concerned the story could be true. But then I heard the brother-in-law of the home owner say that he had gone into the home after the Marines killed everyone and threw in a grenade. He described how the Americans had wrapped the bodies in carpets and bedsheets after killing them, then blowing the house to smithereens.

At that moment, I knew the Marines had not murdered anyone. Americans and Marines DO NOT wrap bodies in carpets and bedsheets. It's not part of our death custom. It is Muslim and Iraqi custom, not ours.

The Haditha story is a staged one act play for which there are innumerable versions played out many times across Iraq and Afghanistan and other places Muslims believe they can get mileage from a convienient event.


75 posted on 06/11/2006 12:48:26 PM PDT by backhoe (Just an Old Keyboard Cowboy, Ridin' the Trakball into the Dawn of Information)
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TRACKING HADITHA
By Michelle Malkin   ·   June 11, 2006 03:30 PM

I've been offline much of the weekend--a healthy thing every once in a while.

The Haditha story continues to unfold. Allah Pundit is on top of all the latest developments, blog coverage of a possible "hoax," Dem exploitation, new Marine revelations, etc.

Start here. Continue here.

More Haditha bookmarks:

The Greyhawk timeline.
Clarice Feldman's provocative piece at The American Thinker.
Dan Riehl's analysis of media errors.
Sweetness and Light on Time's corrections.

Previous:

The Chicago Sun-Times apologizes
A smear you can't take back
Haditha hyperventilation
The Haditha tar brush
UK Times smears our Marines
The incident at Ishaqi
Haditha Marine: Insurgents use kids
Haditha: perspective
Incident at Haditha, Pt II
Freedom is not free
Incident at Haditha
Murtha hangs the Marines

 

SOME CORRECTIONS FROM TIME on Haditha.

UPDATE: Here's much more from The Mudville Gazette.

And Dan Riehl has thoughts, too.

76 posted on 06/11/2006 1:00:35 PM PDT by backhoe (Just an Old Keyboard Cowboy, Ridin' the Trakball into the Dawn of Information)
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Haditha Marine Says Rules Were Followed

The “Haditha massacre” story continues unraveling: Marine Says Rules Were Followed.

A sergeant who led a squad of Marines during the incident in Haditha, Iraq, that left as many as 24 civilians dead said his unit did not intentionally target any civilians, followed military rules of engagement and never tried to cover up the shootings, his attorney said.

Staff Sgt. Frank D. Wuterich, 26, told his attorney that several civilians were killed Nov. 19 when his squad went after insurgents who were firing at them from inside a house. The Marine said there was no vengeful massacre, but he described a house-to-house hunt that went tragically awry in the middle of a chaotic battlefield.

“It will forever be his position that everything they did that day was following their rules of engagement and to protect the lives of Marines,” said Neal A. Puckett, who represents Wuterich in the ongoing investigations into the incident. “He’s really upset that people believe that he and his Marines are even capable of intentionally killing innocent civilians.”

Wuterich’s detailed version of what happened in the Haditha neighborhood is the first public account from a Marine who was on the ground when the shootings occurred. As the leader of 1st Squad, 3rd Platoon, Kilo Company, 3rd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment, Wuterich was in the convoy of Humvees that was hit by a roadside bomb. He entered the house from which the Marines believed enemy fire was originating and made the initial radio reports to his company headquarters about what was going on, Puckett said. ...

Wuterich’s version contradicts that of the Iraqis, who described a massacre of men, women and children after a bomb killed a Marine. Haditha residents have said that innocent civilians were executed, that some begged for their lives before being shot and that children were killed indiscriminately.

Wuterich told his attorney in initial interviews over nearly 12 hours last week that the shootings were the unfortunate result of a methodical sweep for enemies in a firefight. Two attorneys for other Marines involved in the incident said Wuterich’s account is consistent with those they had heard from their clients.

Kevin B. McDermott, who is representing Capt. Lucas M. McConnell, the Kilo Company commander, said Wuterich and other Marines informed McConnell on the day of the incident that at least 15 civilians were killed by “a mixture of small-arms fire and shrapnel as a result of grenades” after the Marines responded to an attack from a house.

Mudville Gazette has analysis of the story.

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78 posted on 06/11/2006 1:47:04 PM PDT by backhoe (Just an Old Keyboard Cowboy, Ridin' the Trakball into the Dawn of Information)
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The Haditha Stratagem
 
http://www.powerlineblog.com/
Haditha: Reasonable doubt?

Today's Washington Post carries Josh White's page-one story reporting the account of one of the Marines directly involved in events at Haditha: "Marine says rules were followed." White's story is the first such media report, though it comes indirectly from the Marine's attorney rather than from the Marine himself. At Democracy Project, Bruce Kesler comments: "Haditha: Now let's see who drive-by media believe." At Mudville Gazette, Greyhawk comments: "Haditha: The accused speak."

TIme Backtracking On Haditha

Sweetness & Light, which has been all over the Haditha story, notes that Time Magazine has been discreetly backing off its Haditha coverage with a series of corrections. Time has an enormous amount of prestige invested in its Haditha "scoop." It turns out, though, that the magazine apparently misrepresented the source of the videotape that got the whole story rolling. And it has also developed that a photograph that Time described as "one of the most damning pieces of evidence investigators have in their possession" is only the subject of rumor, and may not even exist.

As a story about the Marines, the jury is out on Haditha. As a story about journalism, it's starting to look bad for Time. Based on recent history, I suppose that means the magazine is likely to get a Pulitzer.

Via InstaPundit and Power Line News.

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Posted by Scott at 07:45 AM | Permalink
 
I have not kept up with the Haditha backtracking by Time and other media outlets. I'm inclined to wait until I read the investigation reports to comment any further, but Hot Air, Power Line, and Sweetness and Light have continued to cover the story. Count on Michelle to stay on top of it as well.

79 posted on 06/12/2006 3:53:08 AM PDT by backhoe (Just an Old Keyboard Cowboy, Ridin' the Trakball into the Dawn of Information)
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