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Hooray for the Death Tax!
Townhall ^ | 6/9/2006 | Larry Kudlow

Posted on 06/09/2006 6:30:26 PM PDT by wjersey

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To: A CA Guy
"Then if there is an estate tax being collected and if the monies going in is about to be super large from people dying off more, then why not wish to use that to pay the debt off?"

You haven't read anything I posted here have you? You ARE delusional. Do you have any kids? Never mind...don't answer that. Have a nice evening.

101 posted on 06/09/2006 11:07:58 PM PDT by goodnesswins ( "the left can only take power through deception." (and it seems Hillary & Company are the masters)
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To: goodnesswins
It isn't becoming, either, to listen to a rich guy whine about leaving his kids millions while working with all his might to deny the rights and privileges of American citizenship to the children of American citizens. If Kudlow wants Joe Sixpack on his side, he needs to care a little more about Joe's interests.
102 posted on 06/09/2006 11:08:17 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: A CA Guy

That is 4.5 million by 2009.

2010 may see it all go away and back to something old like 600k.


103 posted on 06/09/2006 11:10:07 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
re: If you are not a USA citizen, the deductions don't exist and they owe in a big way past the first 20k or so.)))

Really? How does inheritance of aliens in the US work? I didn't know this. I wonder why Bush hasn't thrown all his heart into changing this. If Vicente wants to live in the US, surely he can leave his feudalistic fortune to his kids?

104 posted on 06/09/2006 11:10:15 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle
"It isn't becoming....to listen to a rich guy whine about leaving his kids millions while working with all his might to deny the rights and privileges of American citizenship to the children of American citizens."

I don't understand what you're talking about here....

105 posted on 06/09/2006 11:11:11 PM PDT by goodnesswins ( "the left can only take power through deception." (and it seems Hillary & Company are the masters)
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To: southernnorthcarolina
As Rush Limbaugh has said, how does stealing from the rich put a dollar in my bank account? Its the politics of class envy. Making me poorer doesn't make any one else richer. No one is made happy by income distribution. And you're preventing by design, the poor from becoming rich. That's exactly why liberals like man made barriers to living the life one enjoys. If you're a rich liberal, that's OK; what you don't want is the blue collar riff-raff crashing into your gated community and disrupting your privileged lifestyle. Just make sure those peasants are kept at arms length.

(Denny Crane: "Every one should carry a gun strapped to their waist. We need more - not less guns.")

106 posted on 06/09/2006 11:11:21 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goodnesswins

I guess you need to read the thread, then. Kudlow wants to cry about his kids not getting to inherit all his money while he wants to see the kids of Joe Sixpack cheated out of their American heritage.


107 posted on 06/09/2006 11:13:12 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle

Well I attended some family wealth preservation classes.
Some of the people in the class are children of non US citizens who are only legal residents.

If you do not become a citizen in the United States, your assets cannot benefit with the deductions like it does with Americans.

This year there is a 2 million dollar deduction.
Last year it was 1.5 million.

There are spouses of Americans who never got their citizenship and when they die they think they will get the estate deduction, but instead they will pay high taxes right from the first few thousands.


108 posted on 06/09/2006 11:14:34 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Mamzelle

Well I attended some family wealth preservation classes.
Some of the people in the class are children of non US citizens who are only legal residents.

If you do not become a citizen in the United States, your assets cannot benefit with the deductions like it does with Americans.

This year there is a 2 million dollar deduction.
Last year it was 1.5 million.

There are spouses of Americans who never got their citizenship and when they die they think they will get the estate deduction, but instead they will pay high taxes right from the first few thousands.


109 posted on 06/09/2006 11:14:35 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Mamzelle

I read it .....and I still don't know what you're talking about. How is Kudlow talking about cheating Joe Sixpack's kids of their American heritage when talking about the Estate Tax?


110 posted on 06/09/2006 11:15:43 PM PDT by goodnesswins ( "the left can only take power through deception." (and it seems Hillary & Company are the masters)
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To: Mamzelle

It may come as a shock to you, but this article is about the ESTATE TAXES and the Congress' failure to eliminate it. This thread is NOT about immigration.


111 posted on 06/09/2006 11:16:44 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: goodnesswins

I've read what you posted to me, the only thing I haven't answered is regarding what someone does with a second or more houses.
The simple answer is create passive income.


112 posted on 06/09/2006 11:17:53 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: FairOpinion
That was my fault, I mentioned stuff about the estate tax and how non-citizens don't get the deductions Americans get.

As an example, if you have a non citizen spouse and he dies before the wife, then he dies without this years 2 million dollar deduction and he gets taxed heavily after some low number like 25k.

That was regarding the estate tax FO, I brought that up, we were not attempting to hijack the thread to immigration at all.
113 posted on 06/09/2006 11:22:06 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

It wasn't cuts in spending that balanced the budget. I would hazard a guess that the budget in the 1920's was greater than before World War I. In 1920 the nation had the largest debt at that time and was in recession. Using your logic we would of maintained taxes or increased them. The Republicans cut them sharply and caused the economy to grow. The key to reducing the debt is to help the economy.

The Estate Tax only brings in 1.4% of government revenues. It is something like 60 Billion dollars a year which is pocket change in Washington. On the other hand by moving money from estate lawyers and trusts and the Federal Government to more productive economic uses such as reinvestment into the farms and businesses would cause increase business activity which would mean more government taxes. There is a good chance that eliminating the estate tax would bring in at least double the estate tax revenue in other taxes.


114 posted on 06/09/2006 11:22:56 PM PDT by Swiss
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To: A CA Guy; Beagle8U

"I keep most of the specifics private."


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A smart philosophy, that I subsribe to as well.

Anything people don't know about you, can't use against you.

In a forum like FR, the discussion should focus on opinions, discussions, facts supporting points of view, political or business philosophies, NOT personal information, which is irrelevant.

People shouldn't be asking for it, and especially shouldn't be insistent, after you politely declined to provide it. It's none of anyone's business.

Not to mention that people can claim to be anything anyway.

I think we have a very large range of people in education, income, various professions, age, etc. that's what makes discussions interesting and valuable, not someone revealing some particular personal info, even their profession.


115 posted on 06/09/2006 11:26:06 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: Swiss

FINALLY.....You need to direct your post to A CA GUY....he needs help...as does Mamzelle


116 posted on 06/09/2006 11:26:25 PM PDT by goodnesswins ( "the left can only take power through deception." (and it seems Hillary & Company are the masters)
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To: A CA Guy

"We all die, and when I die, what I can't pass in the estate I do hope goes when taxed toward the national debt so we leave a clean slate for the next generation."


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You have way too much faith in the government.

The government already taxed that money, it's not fair to tax it again, and certainly not at such heavy percentages.

Eliminating the estate tax would actually result in more tax revenue, just as every time income tax rates are cut, the government ends up with more revenue, as a result of economic growth.


117 posted on 06/09/2006 11:29:00 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: Swiss
Yes, now the estate tax brings in only a little amount, but we are about to have a massive jump in people dying and after 2009 there will probably not be as large a deduction.

Now it is 2 million, was 1.5 last year and I think it goes to 4 million or so by 2009 before it disappears.

If it wasn't going for the National Debt, they'd be taking it for SS I would think to make it solvent.

I do IMO see the government collecting it in the future and that the income to the government will grow quite a bit.
What they do with what they get is a big issue IMO.

Could be a chance also in what you said that if they remove it, maybe other good things will happen like more businesses starting up. Maybe!!!
118 posted on 06/09/2006 11:29:56 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

"non-citizens don't get the deductions Americans get."


I didn't know that. I guess you mean non-resident citizens or even permanent residents? I thought permanent resident get the same benefits as citizens, except they can't vote.


119 posted on 06/09/2006 11:31:44 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: FairOpinion

The government taxed the money once, but they never collected for the national debt and I think we should be good conservatives and not pass on our debt to the next generation.

The tough part as you say would be in seeing to it politicians don't go spending the incredible rise in income that will come to the treasury as lots of people become old now and die.


120 posted on 06/09/2006 11:32:00 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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