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Local Florida Police Attempt to Block Collection of Pro-Marriage Petitions
Florida Family Policy Council ^ | June 7, 2006 | Agape Press

Posted on 06/08/2006 7:32:06 AM PDT by kokonut

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To: gcruse

It's the only explanation I can think of. Police officers know very, very well that civil rights violations can not only cost them their jobs, but also leave them paying off a huge civil judgement for the rest of their lives. No matter how enthusiastic these guys may be about gay marriage, I seriously doubt that, in an unimpaired state, they would have been willing to pay that high a price for pleasure of inflicting an insignificant little nick on the anti-gay marriage movement.


41 posted on 06/08/2006 12:14:15 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker

That would make for a Hobson's choice defense, tho. Pleading innocent to police misconduct by reason of being drunk of duty. LOL


42 posted on 06/08/2006 12:16:59 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: gcruse

Yes, I think their professional futures are looking pretty bleak right now, especially the one who apparently did most of the talking, and was probably the one who planted the kiss as well. It's not really clear that the other officers were doing anything besides looking on nervously (and getting smooched in one case). May be that only the one was a "problem officer", and that back at the precinct locker room, the rest of the guys are chortling "Ha ha, a--hole finally hung himself".


43 posted on 06/08/2006 12:22:02 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: DBeers

It's getting bad.


44 posted on 06/08/2006 2:42:01 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah
It's getting bad.

Disorder is as disorder does. Enraged homosexual activists are hard enough to tolerate let alone avoid contact with.

Now so with enraged and empowered homosexual activists -they are often confronted head on whether or not one wishes to do so...

45 posted on 06/08/2006 3:49:15 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: kokonut

Did the Promise Keepers have a problem with the booth?


46 posted on 06/08/2006 3:53:36 PM PDT by gondramB (We may have done a lill' bit of fightin amongst ourselves but you outside people best leave us alone)
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To: robowombat
"Stemberger stated, "I have never in my life seen such unprofessional and bizarre behavior from a law enforcement officer. This man in uniform was abusing his authority and trying to bully law abiding citizens from exercising core first amendment rights simply because he disagreed with them. "


This happens quite a bit in MA, they pull out all the stops, even protecting homosexual activists protesters, instead of those conducting orderly meeting in a building. Instead of protecting people who gather to plan getting petitions signed, they tell them to stay in the building. When this didn't stop the petitions form being gotten, they took it to court, claiming citizens cannot petition to overturn a judicial ruling.

The activist in MA know that there too, if the people get a vote, an amendment to protect marriage will pass. They will (and have since 2000) do everything conceivable to prevent that from happening.
47 posted on 06/08/2006 8:52:57 PM PDT by gidget7 (PC is the huge rock, behind which lies hide!)
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To: kokonut

The Sergent is probably a queer himself considering where this was.


48 posted on 06/08/2006 8:56:42 PM PDT by sport
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49 posted on 06/08/2006 9:20:34 PM PDT by razorback-bert (Kooks For Kinky)
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Police Sergeant Accused of Bullying, Abusing Authority Against Ministry Volunteers
Ministry Leader Offers More Details on Police Officer's Actions at PK Event

By Allie Martin and Jody Brown
June 8, 2006

(AgapePress) - A Florida-based ministry says it plans to file a grievance with a local police department after officers interfered with a petition drive to protect traditional marriage.  Last weekend representatives of the Florida Family Policy Council were collecting petitions for the Florida4Marriage campaign at a Promise Keepers event in Broward County. Witnesses say several members of the City of Sunrise Police Department showed up and ordered a halt to the petition drive, then removed the petitions from public view. The petitions were eventually returned to the Council's exhibit table -- but only after what a group spokesman describes as "unprofessional" and "unconstitutional" behavior by a member of the police force. (See earlier story)  John Stemberger, president and general counsel of the Council, says upon his arrival at the scene, he was refused an explanation of what law or ordinance had been violated -- but was instead subjected to "ranting" from the duty officer, Sergeant Stephen Allen, who insisted on "lecturing" him and Council volunteers on Christ's teaching on homosexuality.

"I told him I did not want to discuss theology but wanted to know the legal authority he was relying upon," Stemberger notes in a letter to Lt. Robert Dorn of the Sunrise Police Department. "Sgt. Allen refused to calmly discuss the supposed law that was being violated and then proclaimed that 'he was the authority' and 'the Bible says that Christians should obey the authorities.'"  The letter goes on to explain that Allen accused Stemberger of lying about his being a constitutional attorney, and referred to him as an "ambulance chaser" when provided with Stemberger's business card.

 
Sgt. Stephen Allen, with petitions in hand, kisses fellow officer on the cheek
According to Stemberger, Allen made no effort to hide his views on the subject of same-sex "marriage." He says "at one point the officer went and kissed another male officer, just to mock the volunteers. After they removed all petitions, he just kissed the officer. We actually have a photograph of that and some other photographs of these officers' behavior."  Stemberger describes his interaction with Sergeant Allen as "the most unprofessional ... odious interchange" he has ever had with a law enforcement officer.

"At all times during my encounter with Sgt. Allen he constantly interrupted me, refused to allow me to speak freely, consistently acted unreasonably [and] unprofessionally," writes the Council spokesman. In addition, says Stemberger, the police sergeant refused to allow him to explain why the officer's actions were unconstitutional and why Council volunteers had the legal right to distribute petitions at the event.  The 45-minute ordeal ended, says Stemberger, only after a civic center official instructed Sergeant Allen to "stand down."  In his letter to the Sunrise Police Department, Stemberger requests the department investigate the matter, and either dismiss Sergeant Allen from the local force or discipline him and others as warranted, perhaps requiring they undergo sensitivity training or other instruction on professionalism.

A spokesman with the Sunrise Police Department could not be reached for comment.

50 posted on 06/08/2006 9:39:01 PM PDT by Coleus (STOPP Planned Parenthood http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/892053/posts)
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To: 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; annalex; ...


51 posted on 06/08/2006 9:39:48 PM PDT by Coleus (STOPP Planned Parenthood http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/892053/posts)
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To: Coleus

Sheeple's Republic of Broward. Along with Palm Beach County and South Miami Beach, "New York South"


52 posted on 06/08/2006 9:53:30 PM PDT by Clemenza (The CFR ate my bilderburgers! Time to call for a trilateral commission to investigate!)
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To: kokonut
To allow any of the officers who were present at this incident to remain on the force in a position of armed authority over john Q public would be a act of criminal negligence as far as I'm concerned.

I sincerely hope that these morons in uniforms get hit with a law suit that costs them their jobs and those that employ them many.many dollars.

There is no servant of the public of more value and worthy of more respect than a good officer of the law.

There is nothing more dangerous than a bad one that is a bully with a gun who has no respect for people and is drunk on the power that goes with his position.

53 posted on 06/08/2006 10:27:49 PM PDT by mississippi red-neck (You will never win the war on terrorism by fighting it in Iraq and funding it in the West Bank.)
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http://www.ci.sunrise.fl.us/5pol_faqs.html

From the City of Sunrise Police Department website..

How can I register a complaint regarding a Police employee?

Please direct your complaint to any on-duty Police supervisor, or contact the Department's Internal Affairs Unit at (954) 746-3536.

54 posted on 06/09/2006 1:33:34 AM PDT by davidosborne (DavidOsborne.net)
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To: mississippi red-neck



To allow any of the officers who were present at this incident to remain on the force in a position of armed authority over john Q public would be a act of criminal negligence as far as I'm concerned.

I sincerely hope that these morons in uniforms get hit with a law suit that costs them their jobs and those that employ them many.many dollars.

There is no servant of the public of more value and worthy of more respect than a good officer of the law.

There is nothing more dangerous than a bad one that is a bully with a gun who has no respect for people and is drunk on the power that goes with his position.




If this incident occured as reported, as a fellow law enforcement officer, I concur 100%


55 posted on 06/09/2006 1:40:09 AM PDT by davidosborne (DavidOsborne.net)
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To: davidosborne

BTTT


56 posted on 06/09/2006 3:00:33 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: razorback-bert

I think it'd be a better picture had they locked lips.


57 posted on 06/09/2006 7:24:45 AM PDT by kokonut
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To: davidosborne
thanks for the link.  I hope they get swamped with complaints. It seems as though many police departments in the USA are forgetting about the first amendment.
 
this guy, Dr. Raymond De Souza, talked about an incident that he saw in Australia,  regarding the gay pride parade.  When it first started, the police were there to make sure the homosexuals did not do anything vile and made sure they were properly dressed and in 5-10 short years, things changed so drastically that the police were now joining them and marching as a unit in the parade!
It was a good series, I hope EWTN airs it again
 
EWTN Series: Good or Evil, Who Decides?   man, politicians or God

58 posted on 06/09/2006 10:19:07 AM PDT by Coleus (STOPP Planned Parenthood http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/892053/posts)
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To: Clemenza

it seems as though the liberals are taking over the world.


59 posted on 06/09/2006 10:23:45 AM PDT by Coleus (STOPP Planned Parenthood http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/892053/posts)
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To: GovernmentShrinker; harpo11; maine-iac7; outlaw1_2003; coldwar; FearGodNotMen; Mathemagician; ...

"It's not clear what benefits -- personal or political -- the officers could possibly have imagined coming from the actions which they are alleged to have committed, or even from the lesser actions which they clearly did commit (but again, I rather suspect that a breathalyzer could have shed some light on the nature of their reasoning processes)."

(ping: please see the article)

Admittedly this is something of an "tough one" but here's my take on it. The American Left is slowly drifting towards a greater use of violence. Of course, violence is a trademark of the Left throughout the world, but in America, they have so far walked on "cats feet" due to the strength that still remains among conservatives.

I believe these policemen are Leftists who have been encouraged, perhaps in a discrete and indirect way, to take this sort of action. I define "this sort of action" as an action by police enforcing a politically correct viewpoint on conservative citizens attempting to exercise free speech---in blatant disregard of the law.

I believe, in other words, this is a subtle and "early phase" attempt to intimidate conservatives. It generally breaks into new ground: utilizing police in a public way to promote an element of the Leftist agenda. For this purpose, an issue was chosen that is seen to be one that may potentially backfire against conservatives---an issue where conservatives can be painted as "lacking in compassion" and in a sense "denying others' freedom."

Some have wondered why the ACLU has not intervened. I'm not sure that they will not intervene---on the side of the police. I lack the sort of mind that could fashion the basis for the ACLU's defense of the action of these policeman, but I have seen enough of the Left to know that they are capable of creating such a defense.

Such an action must be understood not at all in terms of isolated analysis of this incident. It must be seen as one very small part of a very large puzzle. The name of the puzzle is intimidation and it has many, many different forms.

I would say intimidation is the "sister" of the subversion. And I believe subversion is the main weapon of our enemies.

To exit from my Ping list, just send me one request to that effect, public or private.


60 posted on 06/09/2006 2:06:10 PM PDT by strategofr (H-mentor:"pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it"Hillary's Secret War,Poe,p.198)
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