[KoRn]

"Bring back the M-14 with 3 round fire capability! 7.62 will put them down to stay!"

I have an HK-91 that can hold 30 rounds of .308 and beats the sh1t out of the M16 or any M4 variant. Heaven forbid a soldier is firing on an enemy who is behind thin glass or standing behind a small tree when they are plinking at them with what is essentially a .22 on steroids lol

[tortoise]

Heaven forbid a soldier is firing on an enemy who is behind thin glass or standing behind a small tree when they are plinking at them with what is essentially a .22 on steroids

Penetration is a function of velocity and sectional density -- caliber has nothing to do with it. The standard .223 M855 cartridge will out-penetrate the standard .308 ball in the real world.

The physics is not all that intuitive. Haven't you ever wondered why a short-action 6.5mm is rated for moose but a .308 isn't?

[Leisler]

Urban myth. I've done the test. Put a white standard torso target ten feet into North Carolina thicket. Small pines, shubs, briars. 9 out of ten fired from 50meters hit the torso. We then put the patched target so far back, maybe 50 feet. We could barely see the target and had to put it next to a tree so as not to lose it when looking down the iron sites. 6 out of 10. It might of been better as the shots were more or less blind. You could see a little white but had to guess a little bit as to where the center of the target was.
You can in the best traditions of science replicate this on your own.

[fso301]

I have an HK-91 that can hold 30 rounds of .308 and beats the sh1t out of the M16 or any M4 variant. Heaven forbid a soldier is firing on an enemy who is behind thin glass or standing behind a small tree when they are plinking at them with what is essentially a .22 on steroids lol

In the winter of 1938-1939, the Russians found out the hard way that in close fighting, the Finnish submachineguns with their "weak" rounds killed more Russians even though the Russians had the "powerful" 7.62x54r.

A couple years later, the Germans found out the hard way that their powerful 8mm was of little use if the soldier couldn't put his head up to fire because the air was full of "puny" PPsh-41 7.62x25 rounds that would in close combat kill a man just as dead as if hit by the 8mm or, Russian 7.62x54r.