[Jeff Chandler]

History often repeats itself when fighting Muslims or fanatics. The .45 round was created to put down people like that.

Yep, it was to put down Moro muslims in the Philippine War.

[Oshkalaboomboom]

During World War 2 the Army did ballistic tests on all sorts of cartridges from big bore to timed explosive bullets. Their research found that it didn't really matter what type of bullet you used, the only way to put a man down reliably was to shoot him in one of 3 places:

1. The head
2. The spine
3. The long bones of the leg

It doesn't mean a bigger bullet won't kill an assailant. It concluded that yes, 3-4 shots to the chest will kill a man eventually but a .22 to the head had essentially the same effect as blowing it off with a shotgun. Placement has always been critical to putting down an assailant quickly and efficiently.

[snoringbear]

AK-47 7.62mm round has much the same ballistics of the 30-30; drops about six inches at 100 yards and is not lethal at that distance - ask any deer hunter. I know, there are some that are in love with the Winchester lever action, but it's only good in brush country where a shotgun will serve just as good. Anyway, I vote for the Seals weapon of choice which is a chopped down M-14 which shoots the 7.62 NATO/308 civilian round. This round has about the same punch as the tried and tested 306 Springfield but is lighter than the standard issue M-14. Btw, I was in the Nam in the early days (65-66) and started out packing a M-14 and was really happy when my unit switched to the M-16 even though it couldn't "reach out and touch someone" like the M-14.