(i think maybe even the Bronx is upstate. possibly manhattan north of 60th street, also.)"
lol! So no one really wants to admit they're from NYC? I have to get my son off LI. Will they let him out or will he need papers?
one of the strangest of down-state geographical idiosyncracies is that people from queens, brooklyn, and long island do not consider queens and brooklyn to be part of long island.
looking on a map, they appear to be part of the island, but somehow they are not.