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Camry Hybrid Isn't Worth It
PanAsianBiz ^ | June 6, 2006 | Dr. Bill Belew

Posted on 06/06/2006 6:16:07 PM PDT by G. Stolyarov II

A Camry hybrid costs about $5,000 more than it's nonhybrid brother, or is it sister?

If a driver goes 15,000 miles a year with an efficiency of 39mpg s/he will save about $500/yr. Easy math. It will take 10 years to get your money back.

The good news is a Toyota will last 10 years and 150,000 miles. The bad news is Americans won't drive the same car for that long. But then neither will anybody else in any other country. The Japanese will change cars every 3-5 years.

This is one of the reasons why the hybrid market only makes up 1.2% of US vehicle sales.

So, does that mean hybrids aren't worth it?

Hardly...what it means is if more people bought them the price would go down.

It also means that money is spent in making cars rather than consuming gasoline... and there is a different kind of savings there.

The question - are there trade-offs worth it?


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Japan
KEYWORDS: camry; consumerculture; consumers; energy; gasoline; hybrid; hybridcars; oil; opportunitycosts; plannedobsolescence; savings; toyota; tradeoffs; transportation
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To: MaDuce
A diesel-electric hybrid (like they use in the Alberta tar sands):



Payload class 360 t
Engine output 2,013 - 2,722 kW
Maximum Operating Weight 592 t
Max. travel speed 64 km/h
BTW those are metric tonnes -- payload is about 400 U.S. tons.
41 posted on 06/06/2006 6:49:02 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: G. Stolyarov II

Whether a hybrid is worth it or not is a matter of personal preferences. The analysis appears incomplete to me too.

For example, according to this website:

http://www.hybridcars.com/tax-deductions-credits.html

A Camry gets $2,600 tax credit. So for a tax PAYER, more than half the difference is paid by the tax credit. And if you save $500 per year as all the assumptions in the analysis say, you are $100 to the good after five years.

I drive 30,000 a year. Sales people drive even more. I drive a BMW, but have wondered if I would like a hybrid. But a sales person who in the car much of the time might find a hybrid does not fit their needs.


42 posted on 06/06/2006 6:50:46 PM PDT by JLS
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To: SamAdams76
And what is all the fussing on the Free Republic about hybrids? What is wrong with hybrids?

I don't get it either. You'd think they're being mandated by congress or something.

43 posted on 06/06/2006 6:51:00 PM PDT by Doohickey (Democrats are nothing without a constituency of victims.)
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To: paul51

We drive about 20,000/year in our Prius, and gas costs around $3.25/gallon in California.

At 29 mpg that would be around $2241.

We get around 50 mpg for our Prius, so the cost per year on gas is $1300. We've owned ours for over five years, and it is still running great.

So I think we're doing better financially by owning the Prius.


44 posted on 06/06/2006 6:51:26 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
In the land of the total blackout, the man with a genset is king. :-)

Interesting. I didn't even know what a genset is until now.

Indeed!

45 posted on 06/06/2006 6:52:25 PM PDT by Fruitbat
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To: paul51
Tax credit for a Prius: $3150

Highlander and Camry: $2600

Other vehicles: $650 to $2600.

46 posted on 06/06/2006 6:52:53 PM PDT by alancarp (NASCAR: Always turning left, but can never keep up with the Liber-commis.)
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To: JLS

You beat me to it while I was typing! Good one.


47 posted on 06/06/2006 6:55:04 PM PDT by alancarp (NASCAR: Always turning left, but can never keep up with the Liber-commis.)
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To: TWohlford

A friend that runs a Chrysler dealership tells me that Dodge has serious plans for just that. I think it is called a Contractor Special. Pull up on the build location and have your power with you.


48 posted on 06/06/2006 6:55:04 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (If you read only one book this year, read "Stolen Valor".)
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To: philetus

'64 GTOs came with a 389, not a 396.


49 posted on 06/06/2006 6:55:14 PM PDT by Doohickey (Democrats are nothing without a constituency of victims.)
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To: G. Stolyarov II

It is a little known fact that the Japanese have a progressive tax on older cars... as your car gets older you have to pay a increasing tax or license fee... a new car or 2 year old no problem ... a 5 year old car (it used to esculate to about $4K)... a very strong incentive to buy a new car...

All the best


50 posted on 06/06/2006 6:55:21 PM PDT by bosshog
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To: sgtbono2002

"Why wont Ford release their diesel in this country?"

For the same reason VW pulled its diesel lineup (Aughhh!).

There are some states (California, Maine, a few others as I recall) that passed strict diesel emissions laws that cannot be met until new fuels are widely available.

In 2007, VW plans to bring back their diesel. Others will probably follow, unless GM screws up the market again (as the did in the early 80's).


51 posted on 06/06/2006 6:55:24 PM PDT by TWohlford
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To: G. Stolyarov II
Looks like the hyper-efficient diesels are the way to go. That's what my gf is looking at.
52 posted on 06/06/2006 6:56:05 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: G. Stolyarov II

Honda Insight, $20,000.

Gasoline, $2.50/gal.

Capacity, 10 gallons.

Cruizing range, 500-600 miles.

Not giving 1 extra dime to Arab nutballs, priceless.


53 posted on 06/06/2006 6:57:26 PM PDT by claudiustg (¡En español, por favor!)
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To: TWohlford

These states that passed these strict laws against Diesels. Want to make a bet a lot of lobbying money from petro dealers went to politicians?


54 posted on 06/06/2006 7:02:10 PM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: G. Stolyarov II
My favorite... Piaggio BV 250cc motorscooter




Get yourself a BV and you will. Twist the throttle and traffic disappears behind you. Powered by a Piaggio single cylinder, 4-stroke engine with an automatic transmission, the BV is the ideal vehicle for stop-and-go situations.
55 posted on 06/06/2006 7:06:43 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: luckystarmom

What is so fun about it? I'm a Toyota chick myself.


56 posted on 06/06/2006 7:10:14 PM PDT by technochick99 ( Firearm of choice: Sig Sauer....)
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To: Doohickey
'64 GTOs came with a 389, not a 396.

But, I think the hybridization came from an SS engine or perhaps bore and stroke massage.

57 posted on 06/06/2006 7:10:14 PM PDT by doodad
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To: SamAdams76

WOW, too many Jetson's reruns for you!

Self driving electrics, commuter mini-planes being routine?

The U.S. cannot print enough FIAT currency in the next 100 years to pay for the infrastructure required to support your horrendous, yet optimistic vision.

CA-CA-alifornia may be paved over enough to entice the eco-loons to think this is feasible, but most other states still have too many secondary roads that cannot be abandoned to allow such silliness to succeed.

No big deal for me, this sort of utopian vision is one of the reasons I chose to live in Nevada. With only about 30% of our roads even being paved, it's going to be LONG time before they can implement mandatory central control of our driving.
It will NOT happen in MY life time.

Hybrids S***, my "Hot Rod" Jeep Commando with a 225 Cu. In. V6, 500 CFM four barrel carb, 4.10 gears, and manual trans gets 18 MPG in real world mixed driving.
It is usable off the paved road, in mud, snow, rocks, etc., that would kill a Hybrid in a few FEET!

It cost me less than $3000, and will last for a decade or more, being virtually endlessly restorable due to having almost no molded plastic parts or obsoleted electronics.


58 posted on 06/06/2006 7:11:25 PM PDT by Richard-SIA ("The natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield" JEFFERSON)
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To: xcamel
No hybrid is worth it.

Better to send our money to Saudi for oil. They will use the money to train more terrorists.

59 posted on 06/06/2006 7:13:54 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: G. Stolyarov II

I drove my last toyota truck for 13 years did not do anything but brakes and tires and a occasional clutch had the stock headlites never did a water pump or any rotating electrical had over 150,000 miles on it I rewarded Toyota with another purchase a 2005 tundra. Will keep that one a long time as well


60 posted on 06/06/2006 7:13:55 PM PDT by al baby (Dick Trickle is not a medical condition)
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