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To: MeanWestTexan
But there are plenty of YEC that say such reefs are evidence of Noah's flood.

Certainly, but that's not how you represented the claim. No YEC today (or in the last century at least) that I know of thinks that sedimentary layers, dinosaur bones, etc. were put there by God or Satan to deceive us.

Christians get slandered enough by the world without brethren doing it to each other. And you obviously know your stuff enough to provide a good refutation of YEC without misrepresenting the opposition. If you have a good argument why the fossil corals could not have been formed by setiment shifting during the Flood, I'd love to hear it sometime. (I'm agnostic on the issue of the age of the earth, and can and have argued both sides.)

Glad you like our congregation's website. If you're ever on the east side of Atlanta and would like to get together, drop me a Freepmail!

Your brother in Yeshua,

82 posted on 06/06/2006 5:56:27 PM PDT by Buggman (L'chaim b'Yeshua HaMashiach!)
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To: Buggman; MeanWestTexan
I'm agnostic on the issue of the age of the earth, and can and have argued both sides

The evidence is conclusive for an ancient Earth and an ancient universe. There is no credible argument against that fact these days.

83 posted on 06/06/2006 6:53:19 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: Buggman

"No YEC today (or in the last century at least) that I know of thinks that sedimentary layers, dinosaur bones, etc. were put there by God or Satan to deceive us."

Alas, I heard that preached --- albeit as speculation --- sitting in an otherwise excellent bible church in Dallas, Texas.

Same argument resurfaces --- by the nut factor, admittedly --- on F.R.

"If you have a good argument why the fossil corals could not have been formed by setiment shifting during the Flood."

To GREATLY oversimplify (putting books in a post here), oil and gas are generally found "trapped" by old coral reefs, some as deep as five miles down through solid rock/shales. (Exceptions abound that are beyond the scope of this post.)

To form a good trap, they are clean reefs (not crushed or tumbled, like you see after some event like earthquake or even slow like rise of a mountain range), just as the reefs one sees off the coast today.

Now, we know reefs of today very slowly grow over time in a fairly predicable pattern. This pattern and shape is repeated underground, which is one clue: (1) as to age, (2)the fact that it would take a heck of a lot longer than 40 days to make them (assuming not planted by God, etc) and (3) the supports fact they have not been moved (because they break easily, being porus, which is why they have oil and gas trapped); and (4) The fact they are miles thick is also pretty conclusive that they took some considerable time to grow.

The sea shells in said reefs (generally microfossils --- too small to see with the naked eye) further progess evolutionarily over different layers in a predictable pattern.

Indeed, said microfossils are used to determine what "layer" you are in --- and thus if oil and gas can be found, which is why I care. Again, predictiable, not catyclismic layers. If some dramtic event moved them, they'd be scrambled.

Further, the fact that primative forms are consitently found at one layer and more diverse forms found later pretty well proves that said reefs grew over a very, very long time, not 40 days.


89 posted on 06/07/2006 7:37:48 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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