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To: MeanWestTexan; NicknamedBob

OK, let's review here. Liberals filter thought pervasively in public schools, MSM, and even universities BUT NOT our beloved and hallowed halls of science!!! Does not compute...

Sorry, but they've had over a hundred years to 'play' with the theory of evolution as well as the related 'scientific' publications. The same 'scientific' publications which ignore anything that sounds 'creationist' out of hand. Quite frankly, ToE rests on less science and more religion than the creation theory.

Please try reading some of the anti-evo literature out there. I suggest you start with http://www.creationscience.com/ followed by several books referenced in/by same (i.e. 'Darwin's Black Box', 'Bones of Contention', 'Icons of Evolution', 'Creation Science, etc.). Never have I reviewed more 'science' that is full of lies than the ToE.


67 posted on 06/06/2006 1:25:12 PM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: BrandtMichaels

"and even universities BUT NOT our beloved and hallowed halls of science!!! Does not compute..."

Never remotely said anything like that.

I'm a petroleum engineer and a geologist AND a fundamentalist Christian --- a convert from Judaism, in fact. Degrees from MIT and A&M. Made and make a very comfortable living (especially nowadays) locating and drilling in ancient fossilized reefs under the desert floor of West Texas and New Mexico (and Saudi and Quatar and various gulfs) that YEC theory say couldn't exist, unless God did it to fool the unwary.

I will not argue evolution here, as it is pointless, but, to say, yes, thousands of transitionary fossils have been located and there is ample DNA evidence (tracking various mutations) that proves out evolutionary theory. Freepmail Patrick Henry and he can point you to the same.

Further, having read both creation versions, in Hebrew, repeatedly, I see no conflict with God creating man via evolution. Indeed, I see the typical YEC reading of the Bible to be well, innaccurate, and non-fundamentalist in the true sense of the Word.

They, like the pharasees of Christ's day before them, have preconceived idea of what they want the scriptures to mean, and interpret them accordingly.

Bit like saying God is a bird, as He is described as such in Psalms.

Reasonable (and unreasonable, such as those that prevail on the issue here in FR) minds differ.

And, no, having seen the futility of discussion on the issue here, I will not respond further on the issue.


69 posted on 06/06/2006 1:49:56 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: BrandtMichaels; doc30; bigsky; cbkaty; Mogollon; hosepipe; MeanWestTexan
"Liberals filter thought pervasively in public schools, MSM, and even universities BUT NOT our beloved and hallowed halls of science!!! Does not compute... "

I think it's safe to assume that Liberals flourish anywhere that there is no true accountability, or where an historical predilection has led to their dominance in a particular field.

Thus the beloved and hallowed halls of science often constitute unfriendly or at least unfamiliar territory to them. You have to back up your theories with evidence.

I find it intriguing that this discussion is even taking place, for the basic premise here is a matter of provability.

It is demonstrable that selection of particular characteristcs produces change. Whether that selection is done by a horticulturist, a dog breeder, a farmer, or the cold and ruthless hand of Nature matters little to the end result -- desirable characteristics lead to successful breeding, and undesirable traits lead to extinction.

None of this is theoretical. It is careful, neutral, and repeatable observation.

Darwin's conjecture related to "The Origin of Species" not the origin of life. He deduced, logically enough, that sufficient change would constitute a change in species, especially over the course of innumerable generations. Observation and logic would appear to be unassailable, but here we are.

What constitutes a different species? The definition is clear, and it can easily be reached once sufficient change has been developed in the respective genomes.

What has any of this to do with Creation? Nothing. Nothing at all. Life was created, and then it changed. It changed when Man was ejected from the Garden, and it has changed many, many times before and after that event. And all of those changes served to diffract the existing species into further and further differentiation and specialization.

Creation, and evolution, are not in conflict, and never have been, except by those who appear to not understand the concept of the scale of time.

Time means nothing to God. A billion years could be devoted to a vagrant thought, or a furious productivity could ensue in the blink of an eye. Time is meaningless to God, for He is beyond it. What an awesome God!

But still there are those who wish to belittle Him, by saying that He has to conform to their limited concepts of a sufficiency of time.

Let us forego that discussion for a moment, and consider Space. Unending Space is even more vast than the limitless expanses of Time. The Big Bang is widely thought to have occurred thirteen billion years ago. But no one knows the limits of Space.

In all that limitless Space, then, do you think that God is not operative throughout the Universe?

Why then would you insist on constraining His sphere of influence to only a few thousand years?

79 posted on 06/06/2006 3:46:45 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (I grew up so long ago that being grown-up was more fun than being a kid!)
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