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No (House Republicans vs. Senator Frist’s amnesty plan. )
National Review Online ^ | 5 June 2006 | Rep. Tom Tancredo

Posted on 06/05/2006 4:51:21 PM PDT by Spiff

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To: sinkspur

"So. Tommy has a choice. He can back Pence's bill as a starting point, of he can have his issue in a minority Republican House. Which means he won't get jack."

Except he seems to know that no bill is better than the Amnesty and Cheap Labor bill from the senate.


402 posted on 06/06/2006 8:52:40 AM PDT by Jim Verdolini (We had it all, but the RINOs stalked the land and everything they touched was as dung and ashes!)
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To: sinkspur

"No bill will be death for the Republicans in November. Tom Davis has said that, and so have others."

I do not know a single republican, and darned few independents, who are clammering for an immigration bill. I do know a LOT of folk who are demanding border control.

I submit that your reading of the public is a bit off. If the Amnesty and Cheap Labor bill passes, we lose the House for sure and perhaps the Senate. I would say both for sure but too many senators are not up for election this year so they can pander to the wine and cheese cheap labor wing of the republican party, all 5% of it.


403 posted on 06/06/2006 8:56:59 AM PDT by Jim Verdolini (We had it all, but the RINOs stalked the land and everything they touched was as dung and ashes!)
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To: sinkspur

"You're engaged in wishful thinking. Voters will say "the Senate is reasonable, the House is not." It would be very easy to write a few ads, in fact, that point that out.House candidates in marginal districts will get clobber"

Don't you ever talk to folk in the real world? That is fantasy. The only folk who like this are democrats and wine and cheese cheap labor check writing republicans...all 5% of them.


404 posted on 06/06/2006 9:05:05 AM PDT by Jim Verdolini (We had it all, but the RINOs stalked the land and everything they touched was as dung and ashes!)
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To: Spiff
“The House should simply challenge the Senate to act on H.R. 4437.”

That's what I want. I told Frist... and the Senate Republicans the same thing a month ago.

405 posted on 06/06/2006 9:09:40 AM PDT by johnny7 (“And what's Fonzie like? Come on Yolanda... what's Fonzie like?!”)
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To: Spiff

I would vote for Congressman Tancredo for president.


406 posted on 06/06/2006 9:11:22 AM PDT by Antoninus (Ginty for US Senate -- NJ's primary day is June 6 -- www.gintyforsenate.org)
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To: Texasforever
Facts always work as an argument.

Facts support rational argument. But screaming "racist" "bushbot" or "drama queen" is not a substitute for either one.

407 posted on 06/06/2006 9:11:23 AM PDT by teawithmisswilliams (Question Diversity)
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To: PRND21

Right on time. Is that the best you can do? Weak stuff. Truly weak.


408 posted on 06/06/2006 9:12:33 AM PDT by Antoninus (Ginty for US Senate -- NJ's primary day is June 6 -- www.gintyforsenate.org)
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To: catholicfreeper

"So a guest worker program is going to kill our country"

No, 60,000,000 new legal immigrants and 10 million amnestied illegals over the next 20 years will.

Quincy de Mayo will long be remembered as the day the President surrendered in the war of the reconquista.


409 posted on 06/06/2006 9:13:48 AM PDT by Jim Verdolini (We had it all, but the RINOs stalked the land and everything they touched was as dung and ashes!)
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To: catholicfreeper

"As to this number of 20 to 60 million. I dont see any mumbers approaching 60 million in the next 20 years. I have read the Heritage report where alot of these numbers are based on. I find their reasoning a bit flawed. I think the CBO numbers even if a bit low is closer."

Well lets see...in 1986 we granted amnesty to 2 million and had a sham enforcement program. Today we have at least 12 million in the pipeline for amnesty...that was a 600% growth in the invasion and millions of legal immigrants over 20 years. Now you say the Heritage Foundation is off, Ok, lets assume the new program works as well as the old. That would result in Amnesty for 8-10 million, legal immigration for tens of milions more and perhaps tens of milions of additional illegals over the next 20 years....Yep, the CBO has it right. They are close. Of course, the Amnesty and cheap Labor Bill removes almost every legal immigration cap and the border control is a sham, but heck...that's OK, why worry, be Happy.

Geeze


410 posted on 06/06/2006 9:28:23 AM PDT by Jim Verdolini (We had it all, but the RINOs stalked the land and everything they touched was as dung and ashes!)
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To: Earthdweller; catholicfreeper
"Open borders to me means all the Mexicans in Mexico can just drive over and work here live here if they want. I havent seen a proposal that says that"

"Open borders" can also mean encouraging illegals to come here, expressing concern for their "plight" as opposed to concern for the destruction they wreak on our neighborhoods, schools, hospitals, etc., cooperating with the corrupt Mexican elite to help them sneak in as easily as possible, not enforcing current immigration laws, rewarding illegals with a "path to citizenship," and thereby encouraging much more illegal immigration, and on and on.

411 posted on 06/06/2006 9:29:53 AM PDT by teawithmisswilliams (Question Diversity)
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To: Texasforever

"Uh Bush won 30% of Hispanics in 2004. That is the largest minority vote the GOP has. If you think we can win without the Hispanic vote you are nuts."

And that is how many votes? 5 million, 6? Now compare that to the loss of 10 million or so of the base.

Next remember this is an off year election. Who turns out...the base. No base, no win.


412 posted on 06/06/2006 9:32:24 AM PDT by Jim Verdolini (We had it all, but the RINOs stalked the land and everything they touched was as dung and ashes!)
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To: catholicfreeper
The overwhelming mood was secure the borders, no amnesty in any form (shamnesty) of the administrations disguises of such. Crack down on the employers.

If the person you quote is in favor of the Kennedy/McCain/Bush/senate version, I can well understand why no one was listening to him.
413 posted on 06/06/2006 9:54:24 AM PDT by rock58seg (A minority of Republican RINO's are making a majority of Republicans look like fools.)
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To: Jim Verdolini
I have no idea why this 60 million number is continued to be talked about. Even though Mexicans are not the only illegals they are the majority. The current population of Mexico is 107 million. Half of Mexico is not going to move here. The problem with the studies that advocate this are
(1) Its ignoring falling latino and Mexican birth rates. In fact in 20 years the median age of the average male will be 5 years older in mexico than in the USA
(2) It assumes that the Economy will continue to be boiling hot. It assumes no economic downturns etc
(3) It takes into no consideration the effect of Seasonal Workers aka circular migration. To which a guest worker program should in fact increase those number and reduce the numbers of families that come here
(4) It assumes that every Guest worker will become an American and that every worker will bring the max number of family members over

I could continue and continue.

Further more its beyond me that with declining European and in some places Asian Birthrates(Japan etc) and with Muslims breeding like rabbits why there should be a policy that in effect could decrease the population of the US. Which by the way is the stated goal of many of this "immigration reform" groups. Who will be left to fund the Gnp, to be the power of the Global Economy, to fund a military in 50 years if the population of the USA is decreased. Infact it should probably be increased to meet these alarming worldwide demographics.
414 posted on 06/06/2006 10:02:48 AM PDT by catholicfreeper (Proud supporter of Pres. Bush and the Gop-- with no caveats, qualifiers, or bitc*en)
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To: OKIEDOC

I would like to remind you this years elections should not be a referendum on what we think of President Bush's actions regarding spending and shamnesty. It is a chance in the primaries to support conservative candidates.

Where an incumbent is running "unopposed" if he is not Conservative, skip his name. These people study results very carefully and will notice any significant drop from overall voter numbers.

In November, It may be neccessary to hold your nose and vote. whatever you do I urge you to vote. Don't hold your local politicians responsible for McCain,Chafee, Voinivich,Brownback,graham and the other RINO's supporting the senate crap.


415 posted on 06/06/2006 10:18:47 AM PDT by rock58seg (A minority of Republican RINO's are making a majority of Republicans look like fools.)
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To: beelzepug
By the time the Bush presidency ends we'll have had sixteen years of presidents who avoided Vietnam, let alone congressmen.So what?

How many for being mentally unfit?

416 posted on 06/06/2006 10:37:54 AM PDT by PRND21
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To: Gorobei
Been taking classes in LibSpeak 101 lately?

Nice sign up date.

417 posted on 06/06/2006 10:40:31 AM PDT by PRND21
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To: thoughtomator
Oh please. George Bush had far worse against him

Did he? Pretty hard to shake being "crazy". I guess we'll see who voters send farther.
Tancredo will fold Nationally, yet the FRigilantes will send him money and votes.
He wouldn't get as many votes as Pat but could do more damage.

418 posted on 06/06/2006 10:44:04 AM PDT by PRND21
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To: PRND21
Pretty hard to shake being "crazy".

You can do it, I have confidence in you.

419 posted on 06/06/2006 10:49:38 AM PDT by thoughtomator (A thread without a comment on immigration is not complete)
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To: PRND21

There is more of a chance for a McCain, third party attempt than Tom Tancredo. Personally I truly hope McCain will make that choice.

For one: He would not be the GOP candidate,
and two: He would take more votes from Hilliary or clone than from the Republican party.

Just like the House hanging in there since reasonable people will know the Senate gave us crap.


420 posted on 06/06/2006 10:50:16 AM PDT by rock58seg (A minority of Republican RINO's are making a majority of Republicans look like fools.)
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