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Hillary Can't Beat 50% Against Allen or Romney
Quinnipiac University ^ | June 5, 2006 | Peter Brown

Posted on 06/04/2006 11:22:46 PM PDT by RWR8189

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To: Jim Verdolini
We have not idea who the candidates will be today.

Political wisdom.
61 posted on 06/05/2006 2:05:38 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: grapeape
Is this really the issue that the 52 or so million people voted for Gore and Kerry? She has the same appeal that the other two have. IF they can get those people to vote for them then she can.

Your point is valid, to a degree. However, a large part of the Kerry presidential election vote was anti-Bush, not pro-Kerry. Kerry won the primary in large part because delegates thought they had someone with the skills to beat Bush. If delegates believe that of Hillary in '08 of course she will get the nomination, but I think it will become clear that she cannot, because of the characteristics I mentioned.

Gore was a much more likable person - kind of a buffoon, in fact, than Hillary and notwithstanding that did not come off as incompetent as her before he went off the deep end a couple of years ago.

62 posted on 06/05/2006 7:04:22 PM PDT by Northern Alliance
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To: Lurker

First the drive by media fired on Hill last week, as if she was a Republican, and now this.

Stick a fork in the Beast, she's done.

Sadly, I wanted her to be the Dem nominee, because anyone we run could beat her.


63 posted on 06/05/2006 7:06:05 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (Can I only pay 3 out of five years taxes and profit from identity theft too?)
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To: Northern Alliance

Very good points....

I do not believe that the delegates will view her as incompetent as we do. They just might however. The real key would be how much the MSM can push them around.

How many points do you think having them on her side is worth. I put it at 10 or so. They will come after our candidate no matter who he is. Just as unfairly as they have come after Bush.


64 posted on 06/05/2006 9:49:58 PM PDT by grapeape ("If your attack is going too well, you're probably walking into an ambush.")
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To: grapeape
I do not believe that the delegates will view her as incompetent as we do.

But that is not the point! It is whether or not they will feel that the swing voters will see her that way in the election. I think they will see that, mostly because they got burned so badly with Kerry, which many of their own analysts felt snatched defeat out of the mouth of victory. But of course it's just speculation.

How many points do you think having them on her side is worth. I put it at 10 or so. They will come after our candidate no matter who he is. Just as unfairly as they have come after Bush.

I hear the figure 15% a lot - I suppose 10-15% is reasonable. As you say, though, that won't be any different than the last time. Maybe even less without Bush to bash.

65 posted on 06/05/2006 10:40:45 PM PDT by Northern Alliance
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To: Northern Alliance

OK I understand what you are trying to say.


I hope you are right..


66 posted on 06/05/2006 11:27:45 PM PDT by grapeape ("If your attack is going too well, you're probably walking into an ambush.")
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To: RWR8189
Real news here is that Guliani is 13 points ahead of Allen, +7 vs. -6.
67 posted on 06/05/2006 11:38:07 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: Les_Miserables

"but we can push some into congress (and push some RINOs out)."

I like your optimism. As for me, I'm working on becoming more optimistic. Let's hope you're right and I'm wrong.


68 posted on 06/06/2006 7:19:56 AM PDT by webstersII
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Russert was on Leno last night. Got the feeling that he didn't think Hillary would make the nomination and her opponent would be Gore in the Primary.

Hard ball kinda has said the same thing.

These dudes get a lot of insiders information so there must be a BIG fight within the party. I just love it when they eat their own.

Bubba will never let her win. It would drop his status to the lowest level....Like "Hell, big deal...you were President...So was your wife". Pretty demeaning for him.

69 posted on 06/07/2006 4:27:17 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: webstersII

Take courage from the results in California. Bilbray won by 5% purely because he opposed the President on this issue and the Minute Man candidate drew another 5%. The issue swung fully 10% AT LEAST of the vote. We could take Democratic seats and dump some RINOs even in November '06, if we could get this act together and raise h#ll at the polls. There is great reason for optimism but good things don't come free. We need to work for them. We need to focus on Conservatives from both parties and run the Liberal/Socialist/Globalists out of town on a rail. /exhortation.


70 posted on 06/08/2006 4:54:13 AM PDT by Les_Miserables
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