Spikeytx86, good post, none of what you say I have trouble with, taken from your point of view, which is possible, however, the circumstantial situations of conditioning, I believe , have alot to do with behavior of groups. WWl ended with the Germans having to pay a high price, people were starving, farms foreclosed, things were a mess, and the Northern Volk were being conditioned through their already propensity for witchcraft, pagan ideals , crystals etc., that two writers used by Hitler to galvanize , by persuasion , the support he needed to become , in 1934, a power broker in the Hindenberg govm't . My father was 100% German, and I remember the differences in the social customs with his family, my German aunts were aggressive in most things, as the German woman from the earliest times were women who went out and fought, right along side their mate,....boisterous , and loud, persistent, were they , and I , the same way, so much so , that the doctors , after I recovering from a head injury, coma etc.. said that the reason I threw myself out of the wheelchair, got from nothing to something, was the dna, the genes made the difference, and to me, there is a difference, perhaps my Norwegian cousin could have accomplished what I did, but I highly doubt it. It took dogged persistence and roughhardiness, and as a survivor, I felt I was in a war most of the time. I ended up graduating from the UofMinn with a 3.6GPA. As a woman , similiarities of the stereotypical German, northern woman , are many.........like I said , evil has no bounds, that is why many different nationalities have had their own evil, however, the German one is ,to me, particularly its own evil. nevertheless, I will go have some coffee and think about your post, thanks, Keisha