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The Deadly Virus (The Influenza Epidemic Of 1918)
Science News Archives ^ | 6-4-2006

Posted on 06/04/2006 4:33:03 PM PDT by blam

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To: Smokin' Joe

My mother used to talk about it all the time.

She lived in rural Canada and was 14 when it hit. She knew several people who died.


21 posted on 06/04/2006 9:21:53 PM PDT by Mears
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To: blam
It was rampant in urban and rural areas, from the densely populated East coast to the remotest parts of Alaska.

You can run but you can't hide.

22 posted on 06/04/2006 9:22:42 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: blam
Testimony:

My great-grandparents lost three young daughters in one week. My great-grandma refused to have anymore kids after this horrible loss (at that time, one wonders her method of prevention); so my great-grandpa made her a promise. He would quit betting on horses if she would have another child. My maternal grandpa came of that agreement; but my great-grandpa never quit playing the horses.

All of that to say, it must have been tragically common to lose young children in that epidemic/pandemic. We have pictures of the cute trio which were taken just months before they died. I can't imagine the agony of such a loss.
23 posted on 06/04/2006 9:28:06 PM PDT by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: blam

Both my parents were born in 1925 but all my life I heard of the siblings they never knew - my mother's older sister died and my father lost three siblings to the flu. Gramp always talked about losing his children to the flu. Looks like many of us grew up with those stories. My caousins recently were saying how difficult things are now and how they want to go back to the world of the 1950's when we all were kids. I just started listing epidemics, wars and basically the history of the world to say the 50's were an anamoly (sp.?)


24 posted on 06/04/2006 11:15:16 PM PDT by sorrisi
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To: lafroste

"Two German spies, posing as doctors, were caught giving these influenza germs to the soldiers and they were shot last Saturday morning at sunrise."
That's just wrong.

They should have been given "a dose of their own medicine" and then locked in solitary confinement until their condition... changed.

25 posted on 06/04/2006 11:23:07 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: mysterio

You can prepare for the bird flu in a way that they couldn't. If you are concerned, talk to your doctor about a few prescriptions of tamiflu or relenza
We did. Flat-out REFUSED to Rx it to us.

It appears that the rationing is already underway. Stocks are reserved for important people, i.e., politicians, government employees, and "those who really matter."

26 posted on 06/04/2006 11:25:27 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Westlander

It is indeed.


27 posted on 06/05/2006 1:41:45 AM PDT by Gamecock ("For a time will be when they will not endure sound doctrine..." (2 Timothy 4:3))
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To: BearWash
"You can run but you can't hide."

So, my plan to isolate may be a losing hand, huh?

I better find some Tamiflu, fast.

28 posted on 06/05/2006 3:02:29 AM PDT by blam
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To: geopyg
"Avian influenza is an infection caused by avian (bird) influenza (flu) viruses. ... and has a mortality rate that can reach 90-100% often within 48 hours. ..."

Here's what I've read the mortality is for the H5N1:

* 2005 = 55%

* 2006 = 70+%

29 posted on 06/05/2006 3:05:27 AM PDT by blam
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To: Don Joe
"It appears that the rationing is already underway. Stocks are reserved for important people, i.e., politicians, government employees, and "those who really matter."

If it's any comfort, I've not read any report where Tamiflu is credited with saving anyones life.

30 posted on 06/05/2006 3:21:02 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
In late spring of 1918, the first phase, known as the "three-day fever," appeared without warning. Few deaths were reported. Victims recovered after a few days. When the disease surfaced again that fall, it was far more severe.

My grandmother, a minister's wife, died in October 1918. She had been tending parishioners that were sick from the flu when she herself became sick. She died within a few days. My father was five when he lost his mother.

31 posted on 06/05/2006 3:31:42 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: Smokin' Joe
The Great Pandemic Of 1918: State By State

(Stolen from a SJ link)

32 posted on 06/05/2006 3:38:18 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
If it's any comfort, I've not read any report where Tamiflu is credited with saving anyones life.

I realize that. It's just that I find it rather telling when I read on the "official documents" that the people in charge of "handing out the cookies" have placed themselves at the front of the line.

I'm also less than pleased with the way they disclose -- yet pussyfoot around -- the fact that they are planning on internal travel restrictions and other trappings of martial law.

For myself, I am planning on relying on home-made Colloidal Silver, which, if it manages to get in contact with the virus, will kill it, period. (It kills everything "microorganismesque", even that wispy mold/fungus/damp-off stuff that will infest plants, i.e. tomato seedlings when they are in the early stages of germination in peat pellets in a covered tray (as well as other stages of growth, but that seems the most prevalent). I spray it on the stuff, and the next day it was as if it was never there. Just amazing to watch! And, of course, totally harmless to the plants. It's essentially inert in that regard.)

I am thinking of rigging up a Rube Goldberg nebulizing ventilator by using my wife's CPAP machine and an ultrasonic vaporizer. I figure that if an ultrasonic vaporizer will put calcium and other minerals into the mist (which it does, judging by the white dust it creates when in use), then it should have no problems putting the Silver portion of the CS "water" into the mist -- and then, the CPAP machine should (hopefully) push it down into the lungs.

Now, to find that vaporizer, and see if it still works... (I can't remember if we replaced it with a "boiler" type because of that fershluggener mineral dust, or, it it was because it gave up the ghost. I do know that I never throw anything away. :)

For giggles: Know Your Rulers ("My Title" :) [PDF]

Get Really Acquainted With Your Rulers [as above]

33 posted on 06/05/2006 4:40:39 AM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: blam
BTW, in that second document (and I have not read all 390 pages!), I find pages 129 through 133 to be particularly intriguing.

I'm sure you will to.

Nothing like "full disclosure" to "We, The People", eh? LOL!

34 posted on 06/05/2006 4:52:58 AM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Don Joe
Then I would buy it online without the scrip. Or go to another doctor. I hate doctors who are scrip nazis. I won't go to them and give them money.

I don't think asking for a tamiflu scrip is out of line. I already question having to basically ask government permission for what medicine I may ingest. This makes me question it even more.
35 posted on 06/05/2006 8:58:25 AM PDT by mysterio
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Then I would buy it online without the scrip. Or go to another doctor. I hate doctors who are scrip nazis. I won't go to them and give them money.
I think it's "official". She is already prescribing me enough painkillers to kill several "normal" folks (if someone "opiate-naive" was to take what I take daily, they'd be dead in short order). I'm taking morphine, hydrocodone, etc. (My spine and major joints are decomposing and I cannot take NSAIDs due to internal bleeding.)

If's she's willing to Rx those, I have a hard time thinking she would not Rx flu meds unless she was constrained by law. (The morphine requires a special Rx, with one copy going to the State Police for record keeping, to track "doctor-shopping", so I know the government does "get involved" with certain meds.) She mentioned something about them being prepared to test people for bird flu before letting them have Tamiflu.

Take a look at those docs -- there is a massive "bird flu" infrastructure in place. Our Glorious Leaders have spent billions to create it, and IMO it ain't gonna disappear once the Bird Flu situation is history. We've still got a "temporary" phone tax from the Spanish-American war, not to mention the "temporary" taxes put into place for WWII. This kind of thing has a one-way ratchet. They're creating the means for implementing martial law "in all but name".

36 posted on 06/05/2006 9:22:07 AM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: mysterio

My grandfather's 22 year old sister did, as well. She had just delivered a baby, and both she and the baby were sick with it.

The doctor basically said the baby didn't have a chance, so he spent all night working to save the new mother. My grandmother just held the baby by the woodstove all night, taking care of it as well as she could.

In the morning, the baby was fine and the mother was dead.


37 posted on 06/05/2006 9:25:05 AM PDT by linda_22003
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To: blam

My dad was 9 years-old in 1918. He remembers his entire family, 8 kids & his parents, all getting sick, but they all survived. He doesn't remeber any of the neighbors dying ether. Guess they were just lucky.

Personally, I hope it's a bit genetic. All the siblings lived to be at least 80.


38 posted on 06/05/2006 10:21:13 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: blam

Young people were affected to a large degree by close association in schools, churches, playgrounds, battle conditions, etc. The elderly have compromised immune systems due to advanced age while the middle-aged carry more antibodies and were more isolated in many cases.

The spread to Alaska is the most remarkable aspect of the 1918 flu; a Dr. Johan Hultin was reported in 1998 as having begun a study decades earlier on well preserved tissue from a victim in Brevig Village where 79 of 80 died.

This link dated 2002 is the most up-to-date story I can find concerning his work, it is worth a read: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2002/02/17/CM40502.DTL


39 posted on 06/05/2006 10:47:40 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Mears
"My mother used to talk about it all the time."

My father growing up in rural Texas spoke of it several times. He said that you'd see so and so walking down the street one day and the next he'd be dead.

40 posted on 06/05/2006 2:35:27 PM PDT by Proud_texan (I'm gonna break my rusty cage and run)
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